I agree with you that pressuring Cobalt is the most useful action right now.

 

If she's town she's trying to get a read on me / Vaimes, wouldn't read into it too much.

 

Yeah I use the DLP Light mode (Hate the dark background, find it harder to read and get reads).

Am here and around, more in a "trying to piece together the game and look at players I haven't done a deeper read" type situation at the moment, so will just be putting stuff in here & keeping up throughout the day, also doing stuff with Claire so not like 100% permanently around.

Was typing up an anti-alignment list for you before and have/had it saved in draft, it's here if you want to take a look at it.

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@Gemma - List of anti-aligns I've got one post is;
Vaimes/Dels
Vaimes/Gemma
Gemma/Dels
Dels/Fonti
TerRaine/Waco
TerRaine / Sloth
Amy / Gemma

Some weaker ones where it's more like "I don't think tehey're together but not betting the game on it"
Rubicon / Gemma
Vaimes / Fonti
Gemma / Fonti
Sloth / Amy

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Vaimes!Scum would have to be with 2 of [Amy, Cobalt, Cuth, Fonti, Rubi, Sloth, TerRaine, Waco, Tom] and I don't see Vaimes + 2 of [Amy / Rubi / Sloth / TerRaine / Waco] making that kill, so Vaimes!Scum world would have to include at least one of Cobalt/Cuth/Fonti/Tom I think? And in that situation I'm much better putting him aside and looking at those players.

 

There's several different reasons scum could have done that for? In Waco!V & Wisp!V worlds scum can be worried about Wisp being town read and the wagon moving, and wanting to have a backup msyeet wagon if that happens so one of them don't get CFD'ed. Scum can do it because it 'looks like they're scumhunting / doing things' type reasons. Scum can do it because they want to stay off the Wisp misyeet and look better for not being on it. There's just a lot it could be, and is not something that I think is really much of anything to read into right now.

 

Nod, that makes sense. And I do think if Vaimes is scum, it's in a world like that -- went into it in my unalignment thing above, think the fact he's in scum in less worlds + not really scum reading any of his play makes me happy enough to put him aside.

Thanks, I don't agree with this in a "I think Fonti!Scum is probably more afraid of something like Newcomb/Me replacing in and taking thread control away from her than that" but I do think this makes more sense as being a real thought from you which is nice.

 

If you put the "not W/W" together thing into words would really really really appreciate it, because it's sort of a tinfoil "Oh boy, if it's Fonti/Cuth/X world this game is going to be superhard, and I think that team definitely would have made that night kill" type thought I've got going around.

Think you seem to kind of be expecting me to put down some other sort of big post where I've sorted/solved the game before trying to interact and talk with me more. And that's just not really going to happen, and I'd like to talk/bounce/solve with you here, so can we do that please? Gamestate D1, the lack of strong town reads I've had during reading along and still to a degree, the night 1 kill. A lot just makes me think this is more a "There's 2 scum in the pool of players that I normally town read earlier on / stronger players, and there's probably a lot of town in the weaker players / people that normally & generally get focus" and I'm finding it hard to shake that thought process and mentality, help?

 

I was expecting you to put down your Rubicon/Dels reads, what I talked about in 1084. Those are the two big pieces for me here before I'm able to start moving forward with any sort of a towncore. You also haven't gone into your fonti read at all.

 

I don't think you're wrong, but let's focus on agreeing on some townreads before we start looking for wolves?

 

I've gone as far into Rubicon as I'm going to pretty much. I don't have a strong enough read to come out with a big "This dudes town, you're wrong on him, please reassess, here's why he's town" thing at all. I just think he's sort of here, trying to solve himself but with a lot of his thought process not hitting the thread, and liking some of his interactions with you.

I'll work on putting down my Dels one now for you. I'm pretty conflicted on Fonti, and I don't think that's a read that's one that I'd uber focus on solving/discussing with you at the moment, can we talk about it later.

 

Also, I'm shook that you actually use light mode.

 

Okay.

 

I'm starting my reread, when I'm done I'll probably drop a bunch of thoughts on everyone, or at least the slots I feel more strongly about. If you want me to address anything specific eg via ISO while I do this let me know, I'll be f5ing to stay current.

 

I agree with your thought wrt to Vaimes here, but don't think s!Vaimes is that quick to NK t!Fontisian in that position for reasons.

Yeah, I'm torn about Ter/Jari slot right now. One one hand given the replacement, that explains a bit of the activity, and maybe some of the sensitivity? On the other hand Ter was so over the top defensive about something that wasn't even remotely pressure-y. Fontisian talks about it in #640, but conviction just doesn't fit what I saw. So prior to the switch out, I'm LS on the slot

@TerRaine: To follow up on what I was talking about, I had asked you about your Cuthalion vote specifically because I saw something that made me think Cuth & Sloth were not w/w, and then you posted a town read on Sloth, and voted Cuth without reasoning. I had asked about it to see if you had seen the same as I had.

I stand by that non w/w for sloth & Cuth. Incidentally, I dropped them both a touch after the flip, because the off the board kill reminded me of something one of them suggested in scum chat last game. I really need to look that up.

Yeah, this is nonsense. 1) I am familiar with your meta, and you're not playing similar to it, you're waaaaaay too vanilla 2) It's not pressure when you tell someone it's pressure when you make the vote (the Cobalt vote) and/or you refuse to make the vote until someone else votes/agrees with you on the person.

This is the 2nd time now that you've tried to dismissively hand wave me off for even implying your thought process seems off. Sensitive much?

 

Waco is town for explaining his read to a person that is no longer in the game don't @ me.

 

I like, NEVER have any sort of tangible read on Waco but this? This is mine.

 

Fluff was towny for me before the switch, and feeling pretty good with Regfan as well. Currently sitting top of my board

 

I'll sheep this.

 

I also like Waco referencing something I used to townread TerRaine as a reason to scumread the slot.

 

That's the scummiest thing I've ever seen

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lol j/k

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Okay Gemma, here's one of the stronger reasons I think Dels is town; I like Dels read and thoughts on Vaimes as it progresses through the game, from his early doubts on Vaimes to Post 203 where he's moving more to Vaimes!Town to moving back to having pings from Vaimes in Post #439 for that Vaimes liking his posts feels oddd to his Post #643 where he leaves Vaimes off his list because he has doubts on him to interacting with Fonti about Vaimes in Post #644 to resolve that read. There's just a lot about the way he's reading and treating Vaimes this game that I think makes sense coming from town than scum. As scum I don't think he ever thinks Vaimes is a msyeet candidate here, and maybe bounces on his Vaimes stance once or so, but the repeated "uhh, not sure on him" type thing which also happened at EOD1 where he wanted to look and focus more in the Fonti/Vaimes/Gemma section really just fits with him Not Seeing what others are there. And it's a situation/position I've been in with Vaimes a lot particularly when I hadn't played with him as much. I like his interaction with Fonti re; Vaimes there too in a "Lets see what I'm missing" sense.

Outside of his Vaimes read, I mostly liked how he handled Wisp yesterday, and think a lot of his thoughts on the game in general just meshed with what I was thinking at times when reading along.

I'm not as '100% sure' that Dels is town as I was when I replaced in, think Sloth is a stronger town read than him, but I'm pretty sure he's town here, if you need more than this let me know.