You have a very fair point, that is a bad read. As you've probably noticed, I've been pretty busy and disengaged from the thread; that was a real thought I had when I was reading through EoD1 in the car after work, but I hadn't gone back and looked to make sure it still held up (nor have i reread anything at this point). My goal was just to quickly stream of consciousness summarize my thoughts on people before I had to leave again so we'd have a conversation starter if nothing else.

Pretty out of it right now; I'll read through the entire thread again tomorrow and we can compare notes?

 

A brief discussion of early votes/pressure on Wisp, because it's been on my brain for a bit and because it gives me an excuse to not be backreading.

The Wisp suspicion was first vocalized in-thread by tom and was immediately afterwards cited by Cuth as a mindmeld of sorts. Rubicon added pressure shortly after, and fonti wound up pseudo-OMGUS voting. Waco pops in later with a point I've already talked about. There was maybe also some Vaimes in there? But I've been hardcore skimming Vaimes's posts at this point, not gonna lie.

I think fonti and Cuth are the people I feel most comfortable calling villagers off these exchanges. I was a bit worried about Cuth at first, because I thought him immediately piling on after tom could be somewhat opportunistic, but his later exchange with Wisp and unvote looks like a legitimate attempt at determining Wisp's alignment and doesn't look like a wolfy backpedal. Fonti's OMGUS felt legitimately believed rather than self-preservative and thus passes the smell test.

I have tom's vote marked as "don't hate" but don't know that I can give it higher praise than that. I think the progression of voicing suspicion->voting after other people agree with you is perhaps one that comes slightly more naturally to a villager but has definitely been done by wolves more than once. On the whole I'm getting a frustratingly difficult time getting a read on tom's early posting in general and that may be factoring into my inability to read his Wisp pressure as more confidently villagery.

Rubicon's posting around this, on the other hand, definitely reads as wolfy to me. Opportunistic shade followed by no real attempt to interact with Wisp or read into the thing's he's actually posting - just an "I agree with Cuth's suspicions" and then the occasional shadepost. I don't know how this progression developed over the rest of the day, but it starts out pretty bad.

And of course Waco I've just talked about.

 

I think I'm at a similar place on him right now-- there's obviously a lot that's not making it into the thread, but he really hasn't been playing like he has partners?

 

Yeah that works for me, I've got work tomorrow so I'll probably be around more in the evening (like 24 hours from now) though.

 

Tapping out for the night.

Dels, Vaimes, Gemma, Cuth villagery, roughly in that order. Fonti somewhere below them but not wolfy and not somewhere I feel pressed to pursue. Sloth GTH v. Cobalt read needs refreshing, probably GTH v as well.

tom trending up, prolly lands him somewhere in the ballpark of null. Rubicon/Waco my current preferred votes. TerRaine (Jarizok slot?) gave me some weird gut vibes but not enough to have anything concrete on.

Reads not mentioned don't exist.

 

I’m caught up and still in spec mode. Fun times.

I’m struggling with all the Sloth town reads flying around. I don’t see it and I already have way too many ‘meh, prolly just town’ people’ in this game.

 

Like...

Apparently I think the entite scum team is in Cuth/Amy/Sloth/Cobalt? That’s just the people I’ve played the least amount of games with and Cobalt.

Some detectiving needs to be done.

 

Otoh, narrowing my focus down to those 4 right now to find my vote for today is fine, all them other reads will hopefully evolve anyways.

 

Toms recent posting feels a lot more like what I normally expect from him.

Will be back in a few hours if people want to talk then, going to break things down quickly.

I'm very confident that Sloths town here, is a read I've got into in depth already.

I'm pretty sure all of Gemma/Vaimes/Dels are town too, slight chance I'm wrong on one of them, if I am think it's now it's more likely Dels than Gemma/Vaimes but would rate it at maybe 10% chance of there being scum in those list of names only, definitely never more than 1 in this.

That leaves very very probably 3 scum, or at minimum 2 scum in the below list.

Ampharos (r. Paratroopa)
Cobalt
Cuthalion
Fontisian
Rubicon
TerRaine
The Waco Kid
Tom

I think Rubicon is town, I really like his reasoning behind his Vaimes town read, I think that's a night kill that Rubicon doesn't make without very specific teams, and think his play today and in general feels like him genuinely attempting to game solve. Actually feel decently confident in this read now.

I think Wacos town, but this is a weak read, at the very least I think Waco/Tom are probably not W/W?Waco/TerRaine aren't W/W, given both are in the PoE worlds where he's scum are smaller too. Should go over him and shore up my read on him though.

That pretty much ends my group of 'I have town thoughts on these players' which leaves me with probably 2-3 scum still in the group below, and where I want to be mostly focusing on today.

Ampharos (r. Paratroopa)
Cobalt
Cuthalion
Fontisian
TerRaine
Tom

I think TerRaine/Jarizok slot has decent chance of being scum, a bit from PoE stuff, a bit from TerRaines play stuff, and a bit from this just feeling a bit..off re; number of unique thoughts from Jarizok so far, but think giving him some space to actually catch up / play properly will get me a chance to better read him.

I had a weakish scum read on Cobalts D1 stuff, mostly the underwhelming play and feeling like he was posting and active when suspected in a sort of weird timing type way, but I do like some of his posts/play today and think his reasoning and stance on Fonti actually flows and makes a decent amount of sense. Think I'm more at a nullish place on him overall, and probably need to read his stuff today a bit deeper.

Thought Toms D1 was just weird in a "this doesn't seem like Tom / no real town pings from him there" but I think a lot of the reasoning people have put forward behind their scum reads on him are just really bad. The whole "didn't do enough to save Wisp" type thing is just not really true, and wasn't much more he could have done if he's town here, nor is doing any more than what he did the type of thing he'd do if he's town. I've liked some of his recent-y stuff in a "this feels like more of what I'm used to seeing from him" but ultimately think he's more of a null read than anything right now.

I've gone into Cuth a bit in that I think there's a decent chance gamestate wise / night kill wise his slot fits as mafia, and he's just not done a lot yet. I get the whole "his reasoning on Wisp / way he unvoted to try and work with her thing reads town" that others have brought up, but it just doesn't do a lot for me in that I think that's very easily fakable and is something I see competent scum do a lot of the time. I definitely think if Cuths town I get where he was coming from re; his Wisps thoughts and stance D1, but I'm just looking over his body of work, and thoughts D2 and thinking that there's just not a lot of real individual thoughts, or paranoia, or anything there. If he's town I'll see it when he actually gets back and starts playing properly though.

I've been waiting, and still mostly am on Amy to catch up / post stuff today to get a read on that slot, but I think I agree with the reasoning Tom put forward re; the fire/thoughts when replacing in initially to sort of switching to just consensus-y stuff when actually catching up reading as scummy. Is a slot that I think could easily be scum, but there's also some teams that I just don't think exist with that night kill that include him and some of the other players I've got down here, like Amy/TerRaine/Cobalt doesn't make that kill, and lean against Amy/Tom/X making it too.

Have mostly held back on actually giving a read on Fonti this game, and sort of also still will in that I haven't gone through her posts or ISO yet and I need to do that before I actually really think much, but I'm concerned with the way she's playing this day phase so far. I think there's not enough actually taking my input or others thoughts into her reads here, and feel like her seemingly being happy with this leading towards Amy/Tom wagons feels kind of...wrong and I don't know why. Really need to just see more from her with what everything D2 has done to her reads, and if she's done the re-reading and reanalysing things to change where she was earlier.

 

Good im going back to sulking

 

Um, a) my townread on her wasn't strong, so it seems like I gave you the wrong impression there, I had her as a middling townread, b) I don't currently know what my read on her is.

 

Noted, and watching it develop.

 

Thank you.

 

I like non-performative tom.

 

Is vanilla your favorite ice cream flavour too?

 

Amy's probably that villager who's never getting cleared this game because she's an outsider, and by the end of the game she'll end up a frustrated wreck because people aren't treating her like a friend and welcoming her into their home but are shooting her cold over the shoulder glares instead.

 

Am I supposed to have a favorite?

 

A+ take.