Eh, no.

Town:
Gemma
Sloth
Vaimes
Rubicon

[Amy, Dels, Fonti] 0-1 Scum (None of them are together)

2-3 Scum (Probably 2?):
Cobalt
Cuthalion
TerRaine
The Waco Kid
Tom

Unvote, Vote; Cuth

 

Look for a consistent pattern of natural interactions and genuine scumhunting / good insights.

I personally haven’t settled on a Waco read yet.

 

It's sort of like... a no-agenda/no-TMI type thing?

Like, tom feels like he has no fucking clue what anyone's alignments are. He doesn't have partners he's playing around, he doesn't have misdunks he's trying to push, he's just... there.

 

would that not be... you?

 

LOL

 

Uh, Amy should be in the 2-3 scum category, not sure how that went missing.

 

I mean yeah I guess but like I said I think he legit believes his case on me.

 

Wait no, they're in the 0-1 pile.

Yeah I'm just shitposting now.

 

Ampharos disliked this post.

 

You can't keep playing with my heart like this.

 

Gonna acquire foodstuffs. Looking into Waco a bit more when I get back, in light of what Rubicon said re: his meta.

 

The people I want to hear more of are not posting. Annoying.

There's a possibility that Cuth's wild divergence from the rest of the thread points to town honestly. I think he's a good enough player as scum to at least try to blend with the present of the gamestate rather than off in the corner doing his own thing.
But that's...eh.

 

Vote: Jarizok

Shrug.

Idk man, I usually just clear everyone around him and then yeet him. Fun fact, Jari also gets misyeeted a lot, but he's at least, like, readable.

 

I finally feel good about townreading Reg, lmao.

 

Have you considering talking more about what you're seeing instead of just expecting a wagon to happen?

 

Mom, my feelings.

See now I feel like you're the one not reading what I'm writing, or otherwise being selective about your takeaways.
Maybe it wasn't clear enough but I didn't say that those were your only reasons for your reads, I said "meta or out-of-game factors" which indicates it's only part of it.
More relevant to your response, though, is that aside from these factors, the remainder of your reads on such players is not something that has stuck with me on reading, so not exactly a counter that dismantles my main point.

...so again, I said that the read was off of some leftovers from para, this is true, but I also said that she hasn't done anything bad imo. I've read the same posts you have. Maybe she's scum, but I'm not seeing it as of yet and certainly not in what you've said - in no way does this mean that I don't care about her content, specially volume wise and it's a bizarre conclusion for you to jump to.
As for the TMI: you mean that thing with Vaimes' "townread" and Para's reaction to it? ...I mean. Para himself is dragging it to the spotlight 12 hours later in response to a post by Gemma, not by Vaimes - to what purpose? The question wasn't even at him.
I can see the possibility of tmi but it's in a very round-about way and completely unnecessary, not a done deal. I might have actually seen that as a move to point to Vaimes/Para team, rather than a situation you describe.
Anyway, compared to the rest of the slot's movements, not a swaying argument.


Btw, weren't you townreading me before? Are you suspecting me now just based on my vote on you and the fact that I'm not currently revisiting Amy? Kind of feels like that a little, so please clarify.
I'm not revisiting Amy because I'm not seeing anything worth revisiting yet.
I do respect your perspective as a player, but I only follow if I feel like it. You know this.

 

Lol, Ninja'd: Fonti, I was actually going to say I'm also looking at Jari if you wanted to consolidate there.

What is your read for the slot?

 

Ter's not a dog with a bone, but yes, that she did not pursue Cuth or made a case is relevant.
Same as what she did with Wisp and Waco.
I can't really say this is definite though: IRL stuff we were dealing with, had to replace, etc.
Gut says it's not just that.

 

Man, no one's around when I am.

 

I don't want to get into this argument, because it's frankly pretty stupid and will likely along the lines of:
me: "Sloth you said this, which implied x, y and z."
Sloth: "No, I was saying q."
me: "That's not what you said."
Sloth: "Yes, it was."
me: "No, it wasn't."

And then you'll go:
Sloth: "You said x"
me: "No, I didn't, I was saying y."
Sloth: "Yes, you did."
me: "No, I didn't."
And it's going to be like for the read reasons thing, for the you reading Amy's content versus Para thing, for the tmi thing, and for the townreading you thing.

So instead, since I am townreading you now, we're going to try to nip this at the bud.

1. I thought you were saying that most of me reads are based on meta or out of game stuff, and that this was scum. I do not believe my reads are based on those things, I think the examples you cited are idle thoughts showing how I process the game, and I felt like you were ignoring the rest of the reads I have posted. You are saying you don't remember those reads and only remember the meta ones. I am saying that is a you problem, not a me problem, and it means that if you want to make a sweeping statement about whether my reads are good or bad, you need to look at them again, because you aren't remembering them. You are now going to argue that you not remembering my reads means they weren't good or impactful or something along those lines. No presence, and town!fonti has presence. I am going to argue back that they were, they just weren't focused on things you were focused on so they didn't impact you specifically. And then we would be arguing about what makes something impactful, and whether me being impactful is even alignment indicative and get stuck in a loop.

2. There was a wagon on Amy, and logic I was dropping was a reason to vote for that wagon. You did not talk about any of that and voted me, while writing a throw away line about how the slot still seemed town for you for some stuff Para did. This seemed weird to me for several reasons: a. you were voting me while talking about how my reads were super limited and meta based, but you didn't acknowledge the Amy scumread in that. If you thought Para/Amy were town and I was scum pushing them, then why not try to dismantle my case and talk about that as a reason to vote me? You are now going to say why you didn't do that, and I don't really care because there are a lot of valid reasons like I.you wanted to see what Amy did with it II. you didn't feel like you needed to defend her. III. you felt like it was a meta case that's hard to follow, and that's what you were talking about when you voted me. I could think of more reasons, but we're moving on to b.the Para read you gave was based off stuff in the first 50 posts in the game, and while it wasn't bad for the time, it was very weak and Gemma cautioned you against using it and keeping it as a reason to townread the slot on D2 is not great. You would then say that your read of the slot did develop from there and you were reading Amy's things, and I should know that, and you just referenced Para's things specifically because that's the part of the slot's play that has stood out to you, and nothing else from it since then has really changed your opinion. I would then say, OK, but you didn't say that, you just said this slot is town because of three posts from Para at the beginning of Day 1, and I'm not a mindreader and I don't know you're town, so of course I got suspicious when I didn't see you posting any further thoughts. And c. I expected those further thoughts because I thought that when I posted a decently scumcase on someone, even one with a heavy basis in meta, you would be interested enough in it as town to look at that person again. And then you'd say, I've already read all their posts and felt like they weren't mafia and you are, why would I bother going back again? And then I would say because you might have missed something and extra context can be super helpful, and then we would be stuck again at the disagreement point of whether it's worth while to look back and verify your own feelings when people post cases.

3. The Para tmi thing. I think there's a decent chance Para didn't think Vaimes was really townreading him because he was scum and didn't expect to be townread. This isn't a strong enough read to swing a vote, pretty much ever. I think you misinterpreted what I was saying, or came to your own weird conclusions, and that's towny for you and annoying for me, because it's super irrelevant to what I'm trying to do. Scum!Para brings questions about the read "back into the light" because he wants to figure out if it's real, because as scum it's really nice to figure out when someone's actually townreading you and when someone's just fucking around, and that means a Vaimes/Para team is less likely, which doesn't matter as a read, because Vaimes isn't scum anyway. I'm not going to do the whole back and forth on this one, because I do not understand your pov, and it's super weird to me, but I think it's town. Point three over.

4. Before this point I wasn't really townreading you, I was sheeping Reg's townread of you and allowing that to influence my thoughts and gamesolving. You saw me do this in the team game, where I took townreads from all of you and tried to condense things down to a list and took things for granted. I do this im games where I do not know your or Reg's alignment too, because the majority of people I talk to in any given game are going to be town, and by working together and forming a consensus I find a lot more success. And that means allowing other people's reads to work their way into my own reasoning, like I'm doing now, because I don't know if I would find this post all that towny from you right now if I didn't have multiple people in the thread already pushing me towards that conclusion. This isn't a conscious thing I do, it's ingrained, it's how I develop reads, and I don't know how to explain it any better than that. And you will probably find that suspicious, because the jumping between feeling like you're town and you're scum and the omgusiness of that read that stems from the previous two points with their central issues we'll disagree on will all feel to you like they could be signs I rolled scum, but I'm fucking telling you they're not.

That's it, that's what I've got, I'm going to go talk to other people now.