In a vacuum, I'd agree, but weren't Gemma and Fonti discussing this very thing prior to him commenting on it? Do you think he would not add clarity as town?

I also think I mentioned that his behavior is not doing much or solving or seeming out of it: It may not be related to the game? I've noticed several players having high-tension moments thus far and it naturally is going to affect the play.
I do not want to go down that rabbithole further, my overall point is that as scum, I would assume Cuth wouldn't be doing the things you are saying to him, as he'd make better attempts to blend in with town and look like he's contributing.

Admittedly, I can also see where you're coming from re: his response to the font/you thing, his read of you specifically, and others. I kinda of prefer to solve the Cobalt/Font/Jari situation first, but will look closer toMorrow.

 

More in a sense of what it meant for Fontisians alignment, and what she was doing at the EOD, which isn't really what Cuths post is about at all. His is more a "this is why I thought Wisp was mafia" type one which is ??? when no one was really questioning his reasoning behind why he voted Wisp.

I think your second paragraph falls into a "why would a wolf not play well / TWTBW" type reasoning which I just flat out don't believe in. Sometimes scum just are put in bad positions, sometimes IRL affects that, sometimes you've just not having a good scum game. I read things as I can see them. But yeah, it seems like there's not going to be much traction on Cuth here which is kind of disheartening, but just the reality, so can understand focusing on Cobalt/Jari more.

 

These aren't answers.

Sure wagons are there - so what? Reg is making sure we know how he stands on Cuth/Dels and why even if it only becomes relevant toMorrow.
You're claiming a scumread on me since before you replaced in. Your vote was on me the entire time. You couldn't try to solve me? Or question me?

Also which slots...? Again, scumread prior to start. When you say there would likely be scummates in the people townreading me (which is not a large list if you take the vocal ones), is it unreasonable for me to ask "ok, which ones?"

One of my problems with you is that you don't seem to believe this read.

 

Unvote, Vote: Cobalt

I also kind of find Cobalts interaction and the "I'm tilted"ish type thing to read a bit fake there.

EOD is under 5 hours.

Vote Count:
Cobalt (4): Fontisian, Jarizok, Vaimes, Regfan
Fontisian (3): Sloth, Dels, Cobalt
Jarizok (2): Rubicon, Amy
Cuth (1): Gemma
Amy (1): Tom
Tom (1): Waco

Not Voting (1): Cuth

 

Ah, danke schön

Yes, this is so far the only thing that made me want to reconsider Cobalt, but I want to hear from him more as well.
Tbh, I still feel Jari's scummier. It's just how he presented some of his arguments, and what he's done since.

Also:

So when earlier you said Cobalt's reads were all over the place, what were you thinking of?

This is something I want to revisit once you're feeling better, I have ~concerns.

 

ftr, I definitely want to vote within {jari, font, cobalt} in that order of preference. There's at least 1 scum there, and maybe 2.
I think neither cobalt/font nor cobalt/jari are a thing, but jari/font has potential.

I suppose cobalt flipping red clears the other two to a large degree in my mind...but I just don't see Cobalt being that much different so would much rather shoot in the first two.
Gonna take a walk and think it more.

@Cobalt with 5 hours left, you need to add some clarity here or I'm pretty sure you're the lynch.

 

the yeet*

 

What exactly do you want clarity on? I’ve been as transparent as possible.

Jarizok came into the thread, identified low hanging fruit, and now you’re on your way to a misyeet. If you want a hit, look elsewhere.

What specific questions can I answer?

Also I really dislike language like “if you don’t do xyz then you’re the lynch.” Like how is that supposed to make anyone feel anything other than backed into a corner? What strings do you want me to dance on in order to fulfill whatever you seem to be looking for?

 

Why not ask other people why they’re townreading me?

I’m just really tilted by the expectation that I’m required to spew myself town.

 

@Dels iirc you’re townreading me. A little help here?

 

Jarizok subs into a slot that has done next to nothing, then does next to nothing until he’s being wagoned, and then identifies the literally easiest way to get the wagon off of himself by casing me.

Man, that’s tilting.

 

I asked you specific questions when i @ you in the past few posts. Start by answering them. Easy peasy.

 

What really grinds my gears is that I’m a different player than I was awhile ago, and nobody seems to be recognizing that.

Compare me to G6 in champs for example. I was pretty widely sussed there too, but I was still town. I’m sort of identifying a new playstyle and I may not have the wherewithal to absolutely spew myself town via volume in every single game anymore. And the fact that I’m being pushed for not doing that is extremely grating considering the fact that I’ve tried on MULTIPLE occasions to explain my thoughts out in a way that would make sense to everyone but that’s not good enough either.

 

Dels and Cuth are in similar positions in my reads list right now where I’ve basically nodded along every time I’ve read either of their posts. There hasn’t been a single thing that looks ingenuine, and when I as a villager find myself agreeing with the thought process of another player that much, I usually tend to believe we’re the same alignment.

Gemma is a more complicated case. I’ve been pinged by her throughout the entire game, but at the beginning of D2 I was a little bit swayed by her treatment of Fonti because I know that she knows Fonti better than anyone on a personal level, so I sort of took that at face value?

I grew out of it when I saw some more about Fonti that I didn’t like. Overall I think her treatment of Fonti is NAI but she’s hovering in a position of only being around when she needs to be around, and otherwise not doing much constructive, which is a place that I think scum!Gemma tends to dwell.

I’d even put her in my scum reads list at this point alongside Font, Jari, and Tom. I’m pretty confident there’s at LEAST two wolves in that group of 4 based on what I’ve seen from everyone else.

 

Is there anything else that I can clarify?

@Vaimes what’s jumping out at you that I can bring some clarity to?

I don’t particularly feel the need to appease Jari or Fonti because frankly I think both of them are wolfing.

 

@Sloth did you get what you needed out of that response?

 

In response to Jari's "End of the catch up. Reading back from the end of the ISO and it sticks out just how Static Cobalt’s reads have been this game."

Sloth, I think you're misunderstanding. Cobalt's read being static is a scumtell for him, as it is for most people. Town Cobalt is stubborn and tends to stick with reads even when a lot people are telling him not to, which is not something he's doing here. He's not static as town, usually, though, his reads change as he takes in more information, just like most of ours do. The lack of that change in reads over the course of the game is a scum sign for him, as it means he's not really thinking about the game.

 

???

Did I ask you to appease me?

 

@Regfan Uh, this feels kind of genuine from Cobalt, and probably means he's not with Dels. Thoughts?

 

1. Uh, I don't know what you're talking about? Can you quote it?

2. I am feeling better now, if you want to.