I think I disagree. Can see a world where he does that just to try and get them unalignement read.
Just overall does nothing for me.

 

@fontisian

what is the difference between reads being static and me sticking to them even when told not to?

I feel as though they are the same thing and I’ve done the latter this game. I’m confused.

 

I guess? Regardless of his alignment, Cobalt does want help here, and I don't think he pings a teammate to do that.

 

I think what Fontisian is getting at is there isn't a lot moving and changing of your reads outside of your read on her, there's not been people who you've been like "welp, no I've incorrectly read them they're X" or "this actually looks really good for them, maybe I was wrong with Y".

Your reads have just not really progressed despite lots of new information and content going in the thread.

 

The difference is pretty massive, man. It's external versus internal. When people tell you to change a read, you tend to double down, because it's coming from outside. But when /you/ spot something in someone's posts that makes /you/ want to change your read, you tend to flip a switch and come out defending that new take. You haven't done that at all this game, when it tends to be a part of your normal town process.

 

Yes, this. It comes from you, not from someone telling you what to do.

 

Don't think there's many people in general who have put forward a town read on Cobalt, so in Scum!Cobalt world his options are limited on who he can sort of ping for something like this. I think it makes sense in both Cobalt!Scum and Dels!Town or Dels!Scum worlds. I also kind of think it's something that can come from Cobalt!Town. It's sort of a nonfactor my thoughts on the game.

 

@fontisian, can you put into words a bit your headspace/read on Jarizok now, your unvote off him and move onto Cobalt makes me think you're seeing similar things that I am with Jarizok and I don't know if I've put that down and explained it well enough to convince people like Sloth/Rubicon on it. Also want to know where you're at re; Dels/Cuth now that I've put more detailed thoughts down on them.

 

Thank you for bringing that up. I remembered thinking it myself and was going to mention it but completely forgot.

I won't lie, I thought you were super scummy in that game. So maybe you have changed and I haven't been around to see it. That can happen. I know it's frustrating if you're town, but how is the onus on me to take your behind-the-scenes changes at face value? What about your play this game is town that I'm not seeing?

Reg has a point that it feels like you're only really popping in to diffuse pressure on yourself. I don't need you to be right or to have 500 posts, I just need to feel like you care about doing more than batting away scumreads on you and leaving your vote on xyz scumread without really pushing it.

 

The new information simply hasn’t been enough to change the reads that I already have.

I wasn’t scumreading the Jari slot until Jari showed up, if that counts.

 

Like this. Why would you accept a read from someone you aren't townreading? If you mentioned for example "the strength of Gemma's townread on fontisian made me reconsider my read on Gemma" or ANYTHING like that, I would have loved that. But it was just "Gemma thinks fontisian is town and it made me reconsider" which makes no sense if it doesn't move the needle for you on Gemma as well.

 

Well right now the only content in Jarizok’s slot is a wall on me. So how am I supposed to case him when I’m 90% of his content?

I get what you’re asking about my playstyle, but at this point the bottom line is, I don’t know how to explain to you why I’m town. Because of this difference in playstyle, clearly what I’m doing is scummy to some degree. I don’t know what the magic switch is in Vaimes-brain that can make you see the other way.

Why don’t you look at the similarities between G6 and this game? I did a lot of the same. I talked about it on the podcast, I had to dwell in a scummy position because I felt like the prominent town voices had already identified themselves, and since that ship sailed it was better and more optimal for my team for me to be sort of auxiliary and just support their good pushes when I identified them.

That’s what I’m trying to do this game, except I’m forced to defend myself when my wagon gains traction. I don’t know what else you think I’d do in that position, I won’t not defend myself and just roll over and get yeeted. I’m trying to play to my win condition and my team.

 

Okay, so which pairing makes the most sense to you? Is it Gemma/font? tom/Jari? Some other combo? Let me see the gears turning in your mind.

 

The short answer to this is that irl clouds my judgment and I don’t wanna discuss that further because I don’t think THAT level of meta gaming is healthy for the thread.

 

Oof. Thought I'd be able to post earlier, not sure I'll be able to catch up/follow right now.

Yes, I vouch for what Cobalt is saying, I trust him. I've basically felt on the same page as Cobalt as game, same thing he said, nodding along to his posts, he's had the same thoughts as me. I think he felt that I felt this way too and it became mutual at a certain point. Don't want Cobalt yeeted today. Would prefer basically any of the others. Wish I could make a case but I don't have the brain power, just consider it a mindmeld case.

 

Cobalt, one of the bigger issues I have with you is that I just don't feel like you strongly believe your reads and votes you're making yourself. Like if you're town here and you're thinking Fonti/Jarizok are mafia, I'd prefer you to be talking about that, explaining that, convincing people to vote then rather than trying to swat away reasons on why people think you're mafia.

 

I think you're allowing the fact that Cobalt is independently suspicious (apart from anything Jarizok has done here) distract you from the fact that Jarizok's entire approach to deciding to make a case on Cobalt is weird af and the case he ended up posting is like 80% bullshit. Sloth did a good job of poking holes in the case already - it's a bizarre mix of false statements, quotes taken out of or ignoring context, and points being stretched to fit the read he wanted to end up with. Jarizok should be held to a higher standard of play than that.

I'm not going to try to force the wagon onto Jarizok instead of Cobalt here, because I don't have the meta experience with Cobalt that the people voting him do, but I think Jarizok is highly likely to be a wolf in this scenario.

 

I will probably do that if you don't die toDay.

 

Ugh, my resolve is crumbling.

Unvote, vote Cuth

 

This is hard to say without a single one of them flipped, but I’ll do my best.

I feel like the way the thread just accepts that Tom is doing literally nothing is infuriating. He’s still probably the strongest scumread that I have this game, although Fonti and Jari are at the forefront due to the way the thread moved.

Tom is a likely partner if any of those three flip w.

Fonti and Jari is plausible given the way that Font took Jari’s opportunity to dissolve the Jari wagon, in a way that does seem a bit convenient. But I think it might be one of them with Tom and not both with each other just based on the way Font handled Jarizok other than this instance in regards to my wagon.

Gemma I do not think is aligned with Fonti. Where I struggle here is on her early D2, if it’s scum Gemma and town Font then their interaction is kind of gross and I don’t think that’s the case. She’s also shown adequate suspicion of Font even aside from the beginning of D2, her read developed past that and I think Font is the more likely wolf here and not w/w.