I was rereading and I-

Waco we've played together for years??

 

@The Waco Kid

Where exactly did you post about scumreading TerRaine?

 

Wolfs werent ready to justify pushes on me yet
Thought they had another day

Cobalt and amy terrified frozen

 

Real lack of content last night, is understandable to a degree I guess with this being pretty much a lock of a lynch (Read on Cuth stuff, gamestate and wagons yesterday pointing to this being an almost surefit hit, him being a claimed VT when we want to keep the JOATs hidden until tomorrow to claim when cycle restarts etc) am glad the Dels/Fonti stuff is resolved though and that I didn't have to get involved and wall about it.

I have no idea what Gemmas doing anymore, is sad, but if she needs a day phase like this before she starts playing properly again, and will do so when we get a scum flip, that's A-OK.

@fontisian - I'm not really on the same page with you about Vaimes here. I'm still confident he's just flat out town, and I just don't see Vaimes making that switch to Jarizok there as scum when it's 7-4 unless he knows for certain he can pull it off. I actually think the only worlds that Vaimes can be scum in is like Cuth/Vaimes/Tom and they planned the switch together, or Cuth/Vaimes/Waco and he knew Waco was going to be voting Jarizok, from a like teams or interaction perspective I definitely don't think I'd rule those out but from a reads on Vaimes one I doubt they exist. But uh, other than the vote switch, and Vaimes read on Tom where he's like "Toms defending himself well here" which is kind of ???? is there anything that actually makes you think he can be scum here because this is reading a lot like normal Town!Vaimes to me and I've not really seen any red flags there.

Am maybe not as confident as I was before that this is Tom!Scum, I kind of liked his attempt at calling this a comparison to AYAW re; Fonti, and then going and rereading that and acknowledging that it's not, definitely something Tom can fake as scum but eh. He still very probably needs to die tomorrow (still probably scum a good ~70% of the time) and definitely needs to be one of the 5 lynches in the game at some point but I think it's probably a good idea if I spent some more time looking at the other names in the PoE too today and putting down some thoughts on them if I get time, think I want to priortise getting a better idea of where I'm at with Waco and Amy in particular.

@Vaimes - Can I have a rainbow wall from you, or like you talking a bit about where/who you think is scum?

@tom - If you're town here I personally would appreciate if you could maybe spent some more time and focus talking and explaining your stance/reads on Amy/Waco/Dels. I know your Cobalt one already.

5/10

 

Lol! Same!

 

Stepping in for a sec because this is important.

The issue here is your expectation that other people treat meta the same as you. They often won't. I don't. I read your post in the spec chat game about this topic, and I disagree with it completely. I honestly don't give a flying fuck about meta, if the read can't be expressed with reasoning that makes sense to me without having that meta myself then I'm just going to ignore it and move on. People can use whatever reads they want, that's their business, but it's not my obligation to sheep anyone for any reason, basically ever. I've seen you meld yourself and your reads with other players both in this game and in the spec chat game to a degree that I frankly think is bad play, I don't think anyone should be surrendering their own read of the game for the sake of someone else's. The situations where I think doing that is good play should be limited to case where you recognize yourself to be compromised or potentially compromised. That doesn't mean you don't take other people's reads on board. Listening to your village reads and combining reads to make a stronger collective gamesolving core is absolutely an essential skill to winning games, but at no point should that drift so far into ignoring your own mind that you say, for example, I have a scumread that I believe in, but because two of my townreads don't believe in it I'm just going to give up on that read and not talk about it anymore. You arrive at a consensus via discussion, not via an implied respect and obligation to each other's reads, meta or otherwise.

 

Vaimes
Wiisp
Waco's Friend (or Jarizok if they can't get approved/signed up in time)
Jarizok r TerRaine

Gemma
Regfan r Fluffiness
Dels

Rubicon
tom

Sloth
Ampharos r Paratroopa
The Waco Kid

Cuthalion
Cobalt
fontisian

 

Re Vaimes, I know, I'm just so annoyed.

There was a game a while back where he was scum with Jan and open wolfed in endgame. Think I might try to find it, because I'm pretty sure that's where the bad vibes are coming from.

Re tom, eh? I don't buy his arguments and his whole "I HAVE DISMANTLED THE CASE AGAINST ME" shtick, complete with snark is more scum indicative for him. The looking up the game thing could be a town thing, but it's so easy to fake, so it doesn't really move the needle for me.

 

Princess Mafia?

I think that's the only scumgame I've won here.

 

Unfair and you know it.

 

Another frozen player? like Jari? That'll go well.

Hey all, sorry, it's been a long day and I'm struggling to stay conscious, so catching up is....a laborous task. Anything I need to know right off the bat and/or need to answer?

 

Yeah sorry youre getting splash shit talk from cobalt

 

@Regfan

Of all the pushes against me, waco is the one i think believes he's on to something.
Its pure instinct and looking for something to match (even as it doesnt make sense, as ive shown)

Even you, with the easy townread of fluff and locking you town before you started
Youve got now 2 positives in liking my amy reasoning and the ayaw thing you just mentioned, have actively said the push against me d2 was bad, and only 1 negative which is (yes more complicated from your pov, but from mine) literally just voting not how you think i should have.
And yet im 70% wolf?
Without a cuth flip?

Like
Leave me at null til im wrong on something at least


Uh
There has to be wolves in the push on me

I dont think its waco
I dont think its you

I kinda dont think its fonti...

Its probably not all 3 wolves either

Cobalts is demonstrably made up, but he could be town anyway... for same reason as waco kinda if hes villa, i ping him so he says stuff. I iust dont feel it from him
(And his continued lack of presence is ~wolfy for him)

Dels is
Idk feels like a force of evil in the thread. The two towncores thing. Read on me. Something about emotional manipulation.
I acknowledge he could be right about all not me things. He could also be hard pocketed. Anywhere in between...
But feels like the evil presence


Amy im still mostly about her entrance and consensification.
Think its a solid snapshot read, and its only enhanced by fontis addition of the cobalt timing.
Nothing really new but she continues to be in that place

 

What arguments do you not buy?
Like
Youre looking for townfonti in tom
Have you ever succesfully read me with "tom didnt think this specific thing" as a read shape?

Your whole pile of walls at me are about a thing that did not happen in my brain. I fully believe it happened in yours, regardless of alignment.
And like
I can imagine, if i believed cuth was a wolf that i wanted to yeet, and i spent eod looking for potential partners...
(Instead of choosing between two people i didnt really think were wolves, watching wolfier people wagon both of them)
I could have thought the same

:shrug:

 

Also i didnt think of this but good reason for specifically cobalt to be the other wagon

Vote cobalt

 

Went through Wacos ISO, I can believe that the Jarizok vote from him at EoD is something that can happen from town (I mean I can also see the scum motivation behind it if Cuths scum but ultimately it's just not a huge thing to read into) in that he had a noticeable scum read on Jarizok throughout the whole day, and was already at the stage of sort of basing the strength of some of his other reads on not w/w with Jarizok thoughts. I mostly come out of his ISO at the same spot that I went into it with though, in that I think there's a chance he can be scum, and needs to stay in the PoE but isn't someone that I think should be the yeet or big focus today or tomorrow at all. /Shrug

I know the game you're talking about (The Disney one) and my impression just from memory alone is that his play this game isn't that similar to that one. If ISO'ing and DLP was better, I'd go and double check. If you can be bothered to do the meta-check there it might help, and if you come out of it still thinking there's a possibility he's scum that doesn't come from a "annoyed at him" angle we can talk about it. But if you come out of it and think he's town, then you working on trying to resolve the gap between where Vaimes/You are with each other, and where you need to be would probably be fairly helpful here.

@tom - Thanks, but a lot of that seems to be sort of grabbing other words people have said about those players than complete original thoughts (other than your Amy consensus-y stuff which you did mention D1). You seem to be attempting to solve and base a looot of things around peoples reads and thoughts on you, and I know you're someone that does love talking about yourself and peoples reads on you a lot, but I'm not sure I've ever seen your reads be based on it to this degree. Games going down the path where we lynch Cuth, he flips mafia, and tomorrow you get run up, and I think you flip scum too, but if you're town that's when you're really going to have to put on the Big Boy pants and start doing a lot more to leave Stuff behind in the game if you get misyeeted.

@Amy - I've just gotten through your ISO and Dels as town seems to be one of your strongest and most consistent town reads this game. They've generally been the top of your town lists, but the only reasoning I can find anywhere about the town read was when you were doing your early game catch up posting where you state you town read their "happy to be here" type attitude that you didn't think would come from them as scum. I imagine there's a lot more to this read then that, can you a) Explain that read in as much detail as possible for me and b) Explain why there's been so little explanation of this read up until now when Dels has been trending down in a lot of players reads, and I have both yourself and them in the PoE. Like if you're town here, and you're confident that Dels is town here, and I'm confident in several town reads this game becomes as simple as like 3 scum in Cuth/Tom/Cobalt/Waco.

So you working towards sharing that read would do a lot. I know that you've probably been busy, and did say you were going to do more than just a popby with the Cuth vote so I imagine you'll get to it then, but in case you don't I want your thoughts on the game and who's scum in general now please. Like I think you've got Cobalt/Dels as town as the players I'm looking in the PoE with, so FYPOV if you're following my PoE it's like exactly Cuth/Tom/Waco? What's your thoughts on that team/players, or do you think that you or I have something wrong, and if so what/where? Ultimately what I want to see from you is you actually running through things in your head to work out the game and putting it down in a post.

Nod, I mean we're lynching Cuth here, but making sure not to run up / out a JOAT is vital today. If they're both alive tomorrow, and claim with all info, and have fresh cycles of actions, this gets game gets a lot easier mechanically, and means if mafia mess up at any point we get an extra ML + heaps of info.

6/10

 

Reads dont need to come from me alone to be right... but i think the only sheeped stuff in that post was amy+cobalt connection and maybe something about dels but even that was a conversation i started about two towncores so not sure what you mean...

Yes i am largely thinking about me right now. Its what ive been thinking and posting about recently...
The "only 1 wolf pushing me" world means shit like vaimes/gemma in consideration which im just not about
So it does seem like a decent thing to compare between suspects. I do aleady have townreads i feel good about in you/vaimes/gemma/waco/sloth

Probably correct i should take a broader view though. Idk though, "after a wolf flip" sounds like a better time for that to me

 

I think you've misinterpreted what I was trying to say. I'm actually not sure which post about meta you're referring to as I don't remember it being a topic in that game. But either way, my point wasn't "I expect people to listen to any meta read I give without question", because a) I don't and b) I haven't done that. In the case that prompted my post, Amy had given a read on Cobalt (based on behaviour) and I had also given reads on Amy based on her behaviour (in relation to my knowing her decently well, yes) and people were expressing confusion about it, and it just felt like those people were missing the perspective of, like "These people know each other in the way people around here know each other, so even though you don't understand where they're getting the read from, they are getting it from somewhere"

I also wouldn't really base your idea of my playstyle off of that game. I don't think you should take anything I said in that game (or even in this game) as representative of my beliefs, 'cause I was just trying stuff on, I had absolutely no clue if I meant it or not. That said, yes, I do mostly believing in finding concensus and figuring out which people can be listened to. On DLP, that is a very strong amount, because DLP is an extreme, and I've learned that if the regulars give you a meta read, it can often be trusted.

 

Vaimes was already town for like
General meta/comfort in thread/not having to force it
But fighting fonti today just seals it for me.
No way hes got that in him as a wolf if fontis town, and they aint partners
Regfan locked in pretty early from fluff tbh. Me and cuth were in that mcu scumchat trying to get him to just
Think and show he was doing so.
D1 he was thinking well more than he was posting about
Reg is towny i guess
Gemma she'd hate at least part of the read so im gonna continue not giving it but theres something she didnt do...
Scumgemma has more agenda. Around fonti and otherwise
Waco his read of me is the best microcosm of it but i just generally think hes genuine. Hes maybe the most like me in this game positionally... has reads that dont necessarily align with either "core", existing outside the system
Sloth is anti-tom/waco in thats hes comfortably in both cores.
Scumsloth cant get in one, no chance hes in both. Dont @ me

Reasonably surprised if anything is wrong up there.

3 wolves in
Cobalt
Cuth
Dels
Fonti
Amy
Rubi

Fonti/cuth towniest in there
Neither out of their ranges certainly. These are, imho, 2 of the best wolves in this game
Yes im being stubborn and coloring them the same, cuth should be gray
That might be an additional subconscious reason why i really dont want to go track down posts that made me like cuth better during eod.
I dont actually want to spend time towncasing a null read

Just did scumreads. Should do more. Should reread rubi. Should look at cuth again too but honestly if i turn on him now even i would think it was scummy of me. Would like to see if [some people] can say a damn word to my posting this phase. Not feeling great about cuth not towning it up.

 

I know, I know, I'm sorry, I'd just remembered someone had been mentioning pro-nouns at one point at the game and couldn't remember who. I did have the long break, and was like "oh crap, Vaimes didn't change right?"

^^^^^^^

@fontisian & @Rubicon You mind talking what you were intentionally not yesterday since you've come around to agree with my read on tom?