Vote: Sloth

 

Vote Count 3.1
Cuthalion (3): Regfan, Ampharos, Rubicon
Cobalt (2): Cuthalion, Tom
Fontisian (1); Vaimes
Sloth: (1) Gemma

Not Voting (4): Cobalt, Fontisian, Sloth, The Waco Kid

7/10

 

Vote: Cuth

Waco, it wasn't a big thing. I didn't really agree with your case, but also didn't have a read on Tom or you, so I implied I was thinking about something to keep scum!tom or scum!you on your toes, lol.

 

Fonti what dont you buy?

Did i successfully understand what you think i should have thought during that vote?

 

Don't make me get the quotes, tom.

I don't buy you not thinking about the votes and just rolling with feels, when at eod Day 1 you said something like "a bunch of wolves are voting Wisp" and then changed your vote. When I say I expected you to notice the votes at eod Yesterday, I'm not applying standards for how I play, I'm applying standards from you played /in this game/.

 

Regfan - do I need to say any more? Just look at the guy.
Gemma - like tom said, didn't handle fonti anywhere like she would as a wolf, genuinely cares that the game is good both solving and people-wise, deals with reg well
Sloth is a villager for his reactions SoD1 and his... free? style of posting, he's not as concerned about what he says or Making Cases or what have you as I think he tends towards as w, his style is chaotic yes but this feels a lot more like the v version of that. Tom's read about him being in both town circles was top notch.
Tom, and I want to be clear how serious I'm being here, is legitimately more villagery than I've ever seen him-- I will haunt you from the grave eternally if you yeet him. There's absolutely no upside to the way he plays last EoD and today if he's a wolf, and he's more than self-aware enough to know that he'd be signing a death sentence defending/handling me the way he has so far and that's not how he'd play this kind of game if he was a wolf with partners. Being stubborn and all "even if I'm wrong I still think this is the right way to do this" is so v!tom it's actually ridiculous that anyone's considering a world in which he's not a villager.
Vaimes - quite villagery, meta, if he's alive late reevaluate maybe

Fonti - was top tier, has dropped down mostly for the way she's dealt with tom, but seems very unlikely w/w with Cobalt.
Rubi - I still have no opinion on, but people above him in the list are sure he's a villager, so I'm down with it.
Waco has been villagery for Waco, but not that much compared to the names in the first grouping-- most likely candidate if it's not the three people below:

Dels - I think he's managed to agree with the point of at least one of each person's post in the game so far (and i don't mean in a placating friendly way, but rather in a <trying not to step on toes> way, his EoD was weak, and he's not done anything out of what I think his range is
Amy - behavior at eod yesterday was awful, there hasn't been any sparkle and there hasn't been enough self-doubt, sounds like she's just saying things instead of giving Actual Reads
Cobalt - wolf for eod movements, there was a ton of resistance on this wagon compared to my/jari's, people were super hasty to read me/jari w/w, think just fits with amy in particular

 

here, i dropped this: )

 

@Regfan

I'm considering going Cuth > Amy.

 

That is, again, not what happened.
I said it, but several hundred posts after id left his wagon.
Quick check of my iso says it was after amy vote which was after cobalt vote which was after rubi which was after wisp...

Easy to miss

Those are also... not analogous situations. Eod1 had one wagon, that i had a strong opinion on, looking for reasons to dismantle it. (Sorry waco im dismissing your case again. Literally no one agrees with you but dels)

That is not the same mindset as deciding who to vote.

Eod2 the most important thing to me was the choices before me. Cuth or jari. I think its nonsense to completely dismiss that.

 

It was just atrocious to think Jari was scummier than Cuth at eod, my dude.

 

We literally yeeted jari over cuth by votes
You know that right?

 

Why are you being so rude?

 

Wow, really?

 

@Cuth - Appreciate the reads list regardless of your alignment, if you're somehow town here I definitely will focus on the Amy/Dels grouping before looking at Tom; probably something like Amy -> Dels -> Cobalt/Waco/Tom and will be looking to reaffirm town read on Rubicon since that's the only place I can see myself being wrong. I'm not sure what the scum motivation is there yesterday from Cobalt re; the VT claim if the wagons were V/V and there wasn't any traction or chance he was getting lynched other than "To get town read on it" which isn't impossible, but I feel like he'd not have thought to do that, and would think to save that for the following day maybe as scum. It's all weak reasoning, but it's enough that if you're town here I'd still push him down the priority list. Long story short, if you're somehow town I'm going to put some faith in your Tom read.

Not sure I'd fight you on that much, Toms starting to reduce my scum read on him a bit. If Cuths scum he definitely has to die at some point, but I don't think it's as clear cut Cuth->Tom as I thought it should have been before and if I'm looking in the remainder of the PoE which is Cobalt/Amy/Dels/Waco, I'm not really having a strong scum read on Waco at all after going through his ISO. I've got things I think might make Cobalt town, and I'm not reading Dels for 'unable to read objectively' reasons, so Amy would probably be my primary option other than Tom. I'm hoping Amys response to my question and their explanation on Dels helps me read them a bit better.

Going to leave my last two posts for tomorrow and call it a night.

8/10

 

48 hour deadline is actually extremely poorly timed.

I'll exist and have real thoughts in the leadup to deadline tomorrow but I really don't have the energy or brainspace to dig in right now. Suffering from some real failure to launch with this game that's combining with other factors to prevent me from really getting a handle on it.

I'm p much never not voting Cuth today, not that that's a hot take. Probably look into worldbuilding shit overNight but I really just wanna see a redflip here.

The one thing I will do is talk about why I'm townreading Dels because I consider myself a pretty good Dels reader and I'd prefer for this not to be the game where I'm wrong.

The thing you have to know about Dels is that he's very much a "plays mafia to play town" sort of player. He enjoys villaging much more than he does wolfing; as a wolf he tends to be overly self-conscious and paranoid about making sure everything he does is Just So, whereas v!Dels is much more free with his thoughts and just generally willing to do shit that looks weird if he thinks it helps the gamestate.

This dichotomy's had me defending a widely-scumread Dels in both of the past 2 towngames I've played with him; Dels does weird shit, Amy defends him, surprise she's right. Luckily he hasn't been dunked in any of these games, but I'd like the streak to continue.

I'm not seeing w!Dels here at all. His entrance was super free and cheery, and after how rough the last game he played was on him, I would have expected him to be less so... as either alignment, really, but a LOT less so if he was a wolf. In my experience, w!Dels is always super conscious of the ~path to success~ and always looking to advance the gamestate in his favor, and I don't see any of that here - I see a lot of v!Dels's "let's all hold hands and sing kumbaya and dunk wolves together" playstyle.

Dels being in the "anti-towncore" or whatever the fuck we're calling the him/Sloth/Cobalt pile is classic v!Dels regardless of the alignment of the rest of the pile. Think w!Dels would be trying a lot harder to buddy up to the Regfan et. al. towncore for #cred reasons.

Read's entirely meta but so are y'all's townreads so suck it.

Also Cuth's clearly in antispew but that wolfread on Dels specifically has like no correlation with any AI behaviors for Dels and Cuth should no better. WIFOM+confbias, yeah, but I think they're antiligned.

 

ebwop. Holy balls I'm fried.

 

I guess it wasn't really appropriate for me to butt in like that, and now I'm stuck playing the rest of the dayphase.

Thanks for sharing your Dels read Amy, it doesn't really do anything for me but I think the way you've expressed it is decently villagery.

You and Dels have both references meta townreads happening between me/Regfan/fonti. I find the assertion perplexing because
a) I've literally never given any reasoning for my read on Regfan this game, there's no way for you to whether or not meta is any part of it or what my read even is
b) my fonti townread has shades of meta in it but that's about it
c) fonti and Regfan haven't given meta reads on each other or on me, not to mention you don't need meta to have me at the top of your readlist in this game, the only reason tom doesn't is because he's trying to fake having villagery doubts (this is true regardless of his alignment), same goes for Regfan who has been even more villagery in the most basic, transparent ways than I have.

Anyway, there's no point to my taking issue with that, I just wanted to comment on it. And I guess on a semi-related note,

Huh?

You're miffed because you have an expectation about how people should treat meta that doesn't apply here. (And I don't think you should be doing it in general.) DLP has and uses meta, sure, but more in the sense of people knowing each other's ranges than in the usual sense of how people think of meta, and it's almost always more of a placeholder than something to gamesolve around.

I realize nothing I said here is relevent to this game progressing, and I'm not even sorry.

fonti/Regfan
Vaimes
tom
Waco/Dels/Ampharos/Cobalt
Rubicon
Sloth/Cuth

 

I really should have Cuth as red and a tier below Sloth, but. I'm pretty checked out of the game and haven't done the level of solving I would need to be that confident in it. Not like it matters anyway soooo.

This gamestate is terrible.

 

Can you talk about tom, Rubicon and Sloth, babe?