I'm assuming Reg's townread on Dels is for stuff like this, the feeling that he was genuinely trying to work with Amy. I can see that, but at the same time, I thing Dels is capable of faking it with a partner, and I don't feel comfortable clearing him off it. It's definitely worth some townpoints, just not all the townpoints.

 

I totally think Cuth and Amy talked about Cobalt's volume tell and whether it was valid in scumchat. I don't think Amy has that discussion with Cuth and with Cobalt as a scummate and decides to come in here and hard defend him as he's starting to get votes, especially when she doesn't have a good grasp of the gamestate, as she just replaced in.

 

Vote: Vaimes

 

I think this looks good for Dels, and bad for Vaimes. (Dels didn't know Wisp's alignment and was weirded out by the explanation marks, Vaimes did know Wisp's alignment and knew what Wisp was doing came from town.)

 

Yeah, this feels more like a pocketing attempt on Cobalt than a partner read. I'm open to hearing disagreement here.

 

I don't disagree, I did have Cobalt/Amy having some things that made me think they were unaligned earlier, you've been quoting and bringing up some of those lately; I do think there's also things that make Cobalt/Amy also make sense together, so I really don't think he should be discounted. But the more I looked at everything, and the more everyone else here is it's just looking like it's Vaimes.

 

Yeah, I'm just not convinced Dels and Amy can't fake this.

 

I would like to figure things out about Waco a bit more. Like, I went through post counts earlier, and he's about 100 posts behind everyone else. I don't want to just clear him based off him feeling pure at eod 4.

 

Hey, Gemma's town.

In case you were doubting.

Anyway.

 

Nod, seems like you're still working through catching up / reading back on the thread and posting thoughts on players too.

And am enjoying reading it, and finding it helpful. So take your time and do what you need to do.

 

Humm, this one, I kind of buy, actually. I can see Dels being in that headspace of not being 100% on the wagon, and not townreading Amy, but knowing Amy is statistically likely to be town and feeling better when she backs up his read.

 

I think the argument I'm coming to on Vaimes is that he empathized with town like Wisp and tom when is was fine for the scumteam, but when Cuth was going to get yeeted, that empathy didn't show up and he voted Jari. Like, he was willing to call people town and protect them when it didn't matter, because the scum weren't getting yeeted that Day anyway. But when it did matter, he switched from being very right to very wrong.

 

Wait, I remember the actual reason Dels is town. It's because he talked about the game where Amy got pushed on Day 1 as scum and awkwardly omgused onto the person voting her and then got yeeted. And he said this Day 2 after Amy awkwardly omgused on tom at eod1. And then talked about how he thought Amy was town anyway, and this time was different. I have no idea why he would ever bring up that game when none of us even knew about it as Amy's teammate, so he's probably just town.

 

I think this is an accurate interpretation of his play.

I'd maybe add to that there's been a lack of any real depth of thought about any of the flipped scum from him this game (Amy/Cuth), he posted some weaker stuff about Cuth (town reading him / defending him, and then agreeing with one of my points about Cuth, and then town reading him again), and then ended up voting him, not talking to him, or about him again, and then moving to Jarizok at the EoD for reasons that don't really make sense. And he'd listed almost no read on Amy all game, didn't try to get one, didn't comment much on the Amy vs Tom claim legitimacy reasons much but did vote Amy on more of a "I think toms town" based angle. I feel like as town there he probably tries to listen or at least interact with people about the logic that people were town reading Amys claim based on, and maybe still throwing it out the window and sticking with the vote there, but at least there being more to get him to where he was. The same with the Cuth vote initially, as town I think he'd be more likely to talk/interact with players about it if he actually had Cuth as town rather than just moving there for ?? reasons.

 

Bingo, there's a bit of interaction between Amy/Dels about this that just doesn't feel like it happens as w/w.

 

Reg, I'm not sure Von posts this when Tom, Gemma and I were all calling Amy out. Seems like he'd be more aware?

 

Because I was hedging on my Amy read and didn't trust her 100% despite what her read on me was

Dels on the other hand I felt good about.

 

/Shrug, that's something that makes me think he's more likely to be mafia there than less.

Cuth wasn't around during that part of the day, and we're approaching an EoD where I feel like he'd be trying to protect/prevent it from being possible to lose a partner. But you do know him better than I do.

 

Alright, here's the real answer.

Who could Cuth/Amy/(Vaimes) have killed n1:
AkinaPuppy
Cobalt
Dels
Fluffiness
Fontisian
Gemma
Rubicon
Sloth
TerRaine
The Waco Kid
Tom

Cobalt had yeet pressure on him, and Amy was setting them up to look aligned.

Dels was behind the Wisp yeet and seemed pocketed by Amy. He supported the townread on Cuth.

Fluff had yeet pressure, and was pretty obviously not going to get hard cleared. Plus he was voting for Vaimes for a lot of the Day, so killing him could have reflected badly on Vaimes.

I had yeet pressure on me, was fighting Cobalt, and was hard townreading both Vaimes and Cuth.

Rubicon was joining Vaimes to suspect me, and had some suspicion from Gemma. He also seemed like someone who wasn't going to get cleared.

Sloth was scumreading tom and Cobalt, and basically just fighting with me over nothing.

Ter was voting Waco and is an easier misyeet.

Waco was voting Wisp and is an easier misyeet.

Tom was pushing Amy exclusively, killing him would have made her look bad.

Gemma could have been a kill, but Cuth and Vaimes both love playing with her. She kind of suspected Amy, but wasn't really pushing anything that strongly, and helped push the Wisp yeet.

So, there was just no one they actually wanted to kill, the whole team except Amy was being townread (and they didn't want to kill the people scumreading Amy) and they had no pr reads, so they thought they'd just kill the slot that was getting replaced, maybe hit a pr, and not have to worry about someone coming in and screwing everything up. (This was a not great thing to believe, as evidenced by what actually happened, but I've seen Vaimes teams make bad shots like that before.)

 

Can you point me to where you posted a townread of Dels before then? And where you talked about not trusting Amy? If you didn't do either, that's fine, you can just talk about what you were feeling.