Story time. We’re going to move through the game Day by Day. I’m going to talk about what I was doing, and what I’m seeing from Dels and Cobalt each Day. I’ll also go over notable things Cuth and Amy were doing, and look at the overall context of the thread (though I’m deepreading me/Dels/Cobalt/Cuth/Amy posts, and skimming just about everything else). Questions and comments are welcome.

Day 1

I supported Von townreading para and discouraged him from townreading fluff at the beginning of the game. Not great from me. At the time, I didn’t want fluff to get a pass and knew I’d be able to clear him later if he was town, but worried that him getting too many clears early as scum would make it easier for him to get into the game, if that makes sense. Wasn’t a huge worry, but I felt it was worth pointing out at the time. The para townread was just for his early self meta stuff, specifically the line about us not yeeting him for posting a ton later when he was saying he wouldn’t. Not a good read, and it wasn’t a strong one, was just a starting point for the game. Still, as a wolf, I could have been trying to support a partner here and make the read consensus.

Joking around and clearing Vaimes. I didn’t feel like I had to do much at the beginning of the game, and iirc I wasn’t in the best headspace anyway, depression wise, so I was mostly looking for jokes and to support decent reads. If something had stuck out at me as scummy, I would have pushed it, like I did in the Thing game, but nothing really did, so I did this.

Cuth comes in and talks about Sloth.

This was actually my first “I am suspicious of you” style question. It wasn’t an actual scumread in any way, it was more like me feeling like Cuth’s focus on Sloth was very different from what I would do (wait and see and compare to my meta, and then judge other people based on what they did with Sloth later).

Cuth responded with this. I think, if we were wolves, we would have played this out a little more, because this would have been a distancing thing, but I never actually responded to this because it felt kind of pointless and I figured I’d get more from seeing how Cuth approached Sloth and others later anyway.

I think Dels saying “people” instead of specifically talking about Cuth disagreeing on Sloth is somewhat of a good look. Like, this could have been a more pointed conversation between them, and instead it felt like Dels was addressing a broader thread.

Also, Cuth responded kind of defensively, but didn’t speak directly to Dels, which again I think is a good look.

Cuth did kind of the opposite of what I did with Vaimes/Para/fluff, urging caution on the wolf, and clearing the villager. Not necessarily a good look for me, but it does mean that if we were partners, we were on different pages. It also means we can expect some level of townsiding from Cuth.

Cobalt gets called out a bit and responds to something that was only addressed to him. Imo, this is an example of a larger trend of him focusing more on things that affect him and not really branching out with his own thoughts.

I think Cuth was pretty dismissive of my pov here (“the question was pretty pointless,” “[it’s] pretty obvious”). This post probably wouldn’t have been written this way, and the interaction itself probably wouldn’t have happened like it did, if we were partners.

Cuth called my post funny. Feel like as wolves we’d be joking around on discord and he wouldn’t have had to post this, but in a wolf!me world this could have just been distancing.

Points for Dels, unlikely for Cuth to ask tom to look at both of his partners.

Dels calls Cuth out, we’ve talked about this. Also calls Para out in the same post;

Cobalt explains that he was sick, explains his lack of interest in things Day 1, does not explain his lack of solving on later Days, especially Today and Yesterday.

Response to Dels’ light scumread, feels kind of defensive, again a good look for Dels.

Note that he also responds with this kind of laughing energy when Tom said Cuth shouldn’t be a townread.

Then the Wisp pressure started. Tom dropped some logic, Cuth sheeped it in this post.

Spoiler

Cuth and I tag teamed a lot of this. With me following up on what he was doing. I don’t think we have this sort of drawn out interrogation of someone I know can be super towny in Wisp as wolfmates.

Pressure mounts on Wisp, and Cuth tries to interact more, culminating in an unvote and then a revote:

Spoiler

“Right now it seems like you're making the read (and surrounding comments) in part because you're frustrated with fonti pushing you, rather than based entirely on meta,” stands out. Imo, Cuth was trying to build off of what I was doing and come out of it looking good whether we yeeted Wisp or not. He also, I think, was concerned I’d come back and townread Wisp, as I did in the teamgame, hence his focus on Wisp’s view of me and his unvote.

Again, I think these are good looks for Dels. Cuth could choose to point Wisp towards a scummate there, and he could compare his scummates to each other, but he probably doesn’t. He also sets up a push on town!Waco for when people realize Wisp is town (either before or after the flip).

Quoting this because it’s worth looking at. I think the Cuth read was ok at the time it was given, and I understood it then. I think it’s easy to townread the wolf who’s being reasonable and seems like he’s genuinely trying to figure out someone you’re scumreading.

The TerRaine bit could be a red flag, with Dels pushing Ter to not push Cuth, but also makes sense from a towny who has decided he likes Cuth more now.

Also like the Vaimes thing. It’s fakeable, but it’s a pretty random thought that shows Dels is thinking about multiple angles, etc. Not a strong thing.

Not a great look for Dels, since he could have been pushing here to not be on the same push as Cuth. It’s also a sign that he was looking for other angles and trying to figure things out.

Response to Dels’ question, not really alignment indicative. It’s very brief, which could mean something, shrug.

Rip me. Anyway.

And this shows that I was also looking for other angles towards eod, and taking Wisp’s posts seriously.

Cuth steps in when I started pinging Cobalt to get me to commit to something on him. Bad sign for Cobalt, likely a result of Cuth wanting to know if I was going to start pushing a teammate.

Tom supports the Cobalt pressure, though it wasn’t getting votes at this point.

I responded to Cuth, deliberately making my answer ambiguous because I wanted to see what Cobalt would do before judging.

Explained what I was thinking here. I wasn’t thrilled with the Wisp yeet, and was exploring other options, Cobalt habitually lurks as scum and was lurking, so I poked there.

One of Amy’s first posts came in the middle of people talking about Cobalt. I think it’s notable that she immediately picked that up and expressed support, she was likely trying to distance in case a Cobalt wagon sprung up.

Cuth kept pestering me about Cobalt. I wonder if he wanted me to say it probably wasn’t alignment indicative so early in the game, so pressure wouldn’t build on Cobalt.

Amy and Cuth had a pretty long back and forth, not game related. She started, definitely to distance, which backs up the theory that she said “Cobalt, not posting? Sounds like a fun vote” for the same reason. Following up on that, “not posting” is a really easy accusation to fight against, since all you have to do is start posting, so I wonder if Amy focused in on that specifically to help Cobalt when he got back.

Pressure mounts a bit, there are some other votes, but Wisp is still the clear leading yeet.

Cobalt shows up, and immediately pings Amy. I wonder if this wasn’t the scumteam strategy to look unaligned, just like Amy immediately reached out to Cuth.

This is nitpicky, but I don’t like Cobalt asking for direction instead of catching up or real timing and making his own decision on what’s important.

Cobalt calls the vote on him fair. Ew.

Fluff.

More fluff.

Additional fluff.

I feel like this flurry of fluff posts were Cobalt’s attempt to counter the “he’s not posting” argument with enthusiasm, and it rings fake because it didn’t actually do anything.

I’m off having a random ass argument with Sloth, because that’s what was important, ugh.

Self defense, he was called out for not following up on Joat strategy after talking to wisp about it. See my argument with Sloth.

Fluff votes, Cobalt’s reaction is friendly, dislike. I feel like town!Cobalt bristles at this kind of unexplained vote on him.

I’m, uh, letting my adhd brain take the wheel and posting random thoughts.

Self defense.

Fluff.

Man, I should listen to past!me more. These reads are too good for town!Cobalt who’s just getting into the game to have. Not in the “well thought out” reads sense, but in the too correct sense. Vaimes clear, Rubicon townread, it sounds like he thinks Gemma is town and just doubt casting, and he calls tom out for not scumreading Cuth.

I’m off chatting with fluff, and trying to figure him out. At the time, I really liked him townreading me and tom, not because I agreed on tom, but because those reads were hella weird for that gamestate and for fluff that meant they were more likely to be true. So, I prodded him a bit to see if he had anything to say about it, because there was a chance he was scum and the weirdness of those reads was the point.

Cobalt joins in pushing Wisp, sheeping other people’s logic, but not Cuth’s.

Elaboration on the Cuth thing to tom. I think this is just tmi on Cobalt’s part, and potentially an attempt to link tom to Cuth for latter.

I hate the “Fonti Wisp vote comes at a good point for necessary pressure.” Like, why was the pressure necessary? The defending fluff fits into the townsiding thing scum as a whole had been doing (with Amy also defending Wisp by this point). Tom read doesn’t really do anything for me, I feel like that’s an easy place for scum!Cobalt to push, especially with him already setting up the Cuth connection (not because he wants to draw connections there per se, but because in his head scum!Cobalt already “thinks” tom is scummy for not making the right connections on scum!Cuth, so it’s easier for him to pursue scumreading tom, if that makes sense.)

Quoting this because Von talked about it later. Wisp’s claim of wanting to kill Wisp with fire didn’t match his actions.

Again, it feels like he thinks Waco and Sloth are too town for no reason. The Amy mention again stands out.

Too many townreads, and too many of them are actually town. Like, was I just that high for the Wisp vote and push? Was that it? Why wasn’t Cuth higher than me, since he was so much more involved with it.

I’ll take back the point about his townreading Gemma, since he did put her in the lowest tier here, but I think the general read stands.

I decided to step back and try to post some guidance before eod. I felt really bad outside of the game at this point, and I think it leaked in, with me not wanting to give any actual scumreads, and having no faith in my townreads. The cuth townread was obviously wrong, the Dels townread may be wrong, everything else was right. I think I was too eager to townread Cuth when it felt like he was on the same page as me in a game where I felt very disconnected (and we’ll probably see that more at the beginning of Day 2, since the feeling got a lot worse then) and that ended up biting me pretty hard. The Gemma read was good, I think. The fluff read was obviously good, lol. And the Vaimes read was good, rip. The rest were pretty eh, and I can see why I lacked confidence in them. The Rubicon and Ter ones were just kind of thrown in as light townreads because I had very minor positive feelings towards them. I think there's probably something to be said about how Cuth is the most defined read in that, with the most to back it up, and that came from me vibing with what he was doing with Wisp, but not necessarily townreading him on feels like most of the others, if that makes sense.

Obligatory “god damn it, tom.”

Obviously Dels refusing to vote for wolves isn’t great, but it’s not really scum indicative, and I think the overall logic was fine ish. Vaimes’ doubts kept up, which is about what I expected from town!Dels. I kind of like him saying he did townlean Para’s posts, since I did too, and the choice to wait until he was gone so he wouldn’t adjust his play around it could be real. Anyway.

Vaimes and fluff doubts, example of Dels casting a wider nets thoughts wise.

I thought this too about wisp. Should have said this at the time, but I think he’s just very stubborn, so him doubling down isn’t really scummy, though I can see how Dels would have been confirmation biasing it.

Past!me was right, etc.

Past!me trying to make sure a yeet happens.

Dels’ followup on the questions to me.

The vote count at the time, and me shopping around for non wisp yeets.

Waffling.

Yeah, this super doesn’t match with Cobalt saying he wanted Wisp to die. Why would that be a “whatever” thing instead of an “ok, but we’re focusing on tom Tomorrow!” thing?

Amy comes back and responds to me. Kind of reads like she wants me off her back, but I know I can only see that because I know I’m town.

^ Vaimes lays it out.

Lol. Not sure what to read into this. Cobalt was the only one of us actually under pressure, but I don’t think is compelling evidence against him.

Defending Wisp, setting herself up to look good when he flips town.

Oh no, Cobalt is in danger.

Super defensive. I don’t buy that the tom and wisp reads were equal strength, especially since he said “whatever” about moving from tom to Wisp.

Dels reaches out to Amy and tries to work with her.

Amy tries to clear Cobalt and focuses on the volume tell, because that’s the easiest to disprove.

Amy reaches back to Dels and tries to work with him. Sounds like she’s gearing up to get him to stop voting Wisp, then she just … doesn’t.

Me responding to Amy.

Defensive stuff from Cobalt, again not solving.

Amy defends Cobalt some more.

Then she tries to fake paranoia about him.

More defense from Cobalt.

Just like Cuth probably doesn’t link both of his partners, Amy probably doesn’t ask Waco to talk about both of hers, though I think that’s more likely to happen than the Cuth example.

And more Cobalt defense and fake waffling on him.

Self defense.

Yeah, I buy this as being real from Dels.

Me still shopping around for other yeets, since Amy is defending Cobalt. (Basically, I let her read influence me, because statistically she was likely to be town, in the same way Gemma and Dels worth, so working off of her reads in that moment made sense. I don’t really know how to explain this, but I’m pretty sure Dels gets it. It’s not a trusting thing exactly, but rather an attempt to work with people I know have decent reads usually and allow their logic to influence mine.)

I prodded Amy here to make a decision on Wisp, since it looked like she was defending him and Cobalt, and make a case on where else to go. I probably thought tom was a possibility at that point, but was looking for other ideas. I don’t think I do this kind of thing to a partner as a wolf.

Amy switches to being willing to take down Wisp, I suspect because she realized Cobalt could get yeeted if he didn’t. She could have gone after Waco here, actually, and she could have just been trying to pocket Cobalt.

Weak support from Cobalt on yeeting tom. I feel like this would have been stronger somehow if Cobalt was town?

Cobalt asks Gemma why she isn’t townreading Vaimes. This is basically the only proactive thing he does.

Yeah, we know this Wisp case. I let it influence me, even though I wasn’t feeling it, and deep down I knew Wisp was flipping town, because I wanted to work with my townreads, and I wanted to get the flip out of the way for them (them being Dels, Cuth and Gemma). And Amy jumping on board just reinforced that feeling.

Dels considering the alternative yeet.

Me trying to figure out unalignments.

More defense.

Me, probably correct, calling out Cobalt for not really believing in his Wisp push.

Ugh, etc.

Cobalt talks about the Wisp read, I can see it but also, eh? Like “this dude is being weird” is one of the easiest angles to push as a wolf, because everything Cobalt was saying was correct, even if none of it was actually scum indicative.

Tom calls out Amy.

I’m sorting out my Wisp feelings, feeling like it’s going to be a misyeet but I have no where better to go, and trying to justify it to myself.

Ew.

Fluff.

Sheeping. No original thought.

Me calling out Amy.

Gemma says Amy was skeeving her out, I jumped on as well.

I’m not sure if Amy says “#640 is exactly how I like to village” about a partner, Dels can comment here.

Dels still looking at other options and trying to figure things out.

Same as above.

Dels expresses similar feelings about coming to a consensus on Wisp, though I don’t think we were in quite the same spot.

Tom votes Amy, I immediately follow up while also trying to coach Wisp so that if he’s town he’ll live.

Amy fighting back against tom.

More me trying to get Wisp to shape up.

Omgus.

I switch off of Amy onto Cobalt pretty immediately, because eod is getting close, I don’t feel like the Amy yeet is going to happen or even should happen (since she justreplaced in) and I still need an alternative to Wisp that people can get behind. Idk if I was picking up on how little Cobalt seemed to care about solving at the time, but I probably was.

Dels says he’s straight up not voting Amy, this is again more likely to come for town. I think a scum like Dels in this situation also offers reasons (like “Amy just replaced in, give her time”) instead of just stating this.

More omgus from Amy.

Yeah “underwhelming” is partially me saying that he wasn’t trying to do anything. I should have explained this better, but I feel like the lack there was understandable when I was dealing with shit irl.

Wow, this reeks. I can feel Cobalt’s urge to jump to Amy’s defense, while not actually defending her.

I feel like I’ve explained what I was doing. I can go over it again if needed.

Dels trying to work with Amy.

I want to say this is indicative that a wolf was being run up and Amy was stressed about not knowing the votes, which would mean Cobalt is the wolf, since Amy only had one vote, but, that could be confirmation bias.

I go after Cobalt, he defends but doesn’t really bite back. I feel lost and wonder what I’m doing. Etc.

Gemma and I were the ones who talked about skeeved-ness, so this reasoning comes from a place of believing we’re town.

Sidebar: screw you Von, I fucking voted for at least one wolf, it’s not my fault you didn’t follow up.

I should just listen to past!me, etc.

Amy yells at me for townreading tom for pushing her. I don’t give a shit and don’t respond. Again, probably not how a wolf interaction plays out.

Again Cobalt calls it “wack” instead of scummy, because “wack” is always true, even when he knows I’m town.

Deja vu, again a good look for Dels, unless he was like, literally trying to replicate how he felt in his previous town game with us.

Me feeling depressed in general and about misyeet Wisp specifically after he self voted.

And Amy acting excited.

And scene.

 

grumble grumble

i'm awake

i'll be around soon

 

Okay, well, I appreciate the defense/solve wall. I haven't looked at it 100% yet because I have some thoughts I wanna get out first. (Note: I tried to keep this post brief, but me from 30 minutes later is letting you know I failed. Sorry.)

I will be straight with you, the person I am intending to vote is you, Fonti.

We talked a lot yesterday about how you or Cobalt, as scum, would be playing with the intention to win, and would want to be getting to a final 3 where that is possible, without putting themselves in a position where they become the easy vote through blatantly wolfy behaviour.

You started the day yesterday saying you were pretty sure it was Waco. You even said you were taking the opportunity to "call your shot", as Reg put it. We talked about how reaching this final 3 we're in now would be bad for you as scum.

In the second half of the day, you asked Cobalt this:

And got this response:

Cobalt asked if both of us would commit to not yeeting him today in this final 3, and I said this:

Cobalt's response basically indicated that this final 3 would become a cross-vote between the two of you, with me as the decider. Whether that will happen or not in reality remains to be seen, but it's what you'd start operating based on. And my response there, while honest that it's a hard decision, would not make anyone confident I'd vote for Cobalt in that cross.

Cobalt, if he's a wolf, would have been doubling down on the blatantly wolfy pushing yesterday. He'd know that Waco was town, which means he'd know that "Waco isn't coming back because he's a wolf, just hammer him" was bullshit and would look really bad for him. He'd assume, since he knows Waco is town, that Waco would show back up. Pushing through a hammer on someone for that reason when you know they might a) show back up and b) flip town afterwards, is really risky. Does he really think his "pocket" on me is so strong that giving me further evidence of him being a wolf like that wouldn't swing my needle back around to saying "You know what, I have to vote Cobalt, there's no way I can risk letting scum Cobalt win"? (*Had a side-thought about this, will post at the end)

Meanwhile, you... waited for Waco. And refused to vote. And I started to get worried that this was because you were a wolf and you realized, after seeing the answers to the above questions, that the final 3 you were going towards was not likely to work for you after all. Maybe your plan all along was never to vote Waco, it was to seem like you wanted to, but find a reason to move elsewhere, or maybe Cobalt and I's posts throughout the day made you change your mind. Waco never showed back up which means I have absolutely no evidence on if you were planning to say "Actually, no, Waco's being townie, we need to vote Cobalt/Dels" after he showed up. So my theory never gets to be solidified.

If this was the final 3 you were headed toward, did you have a plan to win it? (assuming you really did have intent to vote Waco no matter what and not find a reason to move) Yesterday I said it wasn't a good final 3 for you. Today I have to be more critical. I took you up on your offer and re-ISO'd to see if you'd been setting up stuff with Cobalt and I like I thought. To your credit, you hadn't talked about it a lot, no. The post that gave me that impression seems to have been this one: 2245 where you straight up implied that I was a wolf and Cobalt was being pocketed by me. I think your hope, if you got to this final 3, was either that Cobalt would think "Dels has been pocketing me" (possibly aided by you being towny and/or reminding him of all the things you've done this game that you'd "never do as wolf"), or, more likely, that I'd give in and vote Cobalt, because I've stated over and over and over that I'm a team player and that I follow other people's reads (specifically Reg's). Well, that's what I thought last night. Typing it now with the day started, suddenly I'm a lot less sure. Nerves suck. You're right you didn't play up this angle a lot. I could be being paranoid. When Gemma said "This day was supposed to be a Dels/Cobalt thunderdome", it just really felt like that's what the scum wanted. You did bring it up again, after I asked, in 3614, where you do say you believe the possibility of a pocket happening between us, and you say you didn't want to bring it up publically because then it could tilt whoever the townie is. This can be true regardless of your allignment, if you wanted us to turn on each other you'd need to be subtle about it. It's wifom-y at this point. Moving on.

And then, today, despite saying yesterday you thought Cobalt was townie, and you saying many times I wasn't a clear for you, and that you probably weren't voting Cobalt. You've started the day saying you have an intent to vote Cobalt. I need to read your wall more, however. My first gut feeling is that this is again, playing to the only wincon you have. If you're a wolf, you realized after those quotes above that pushing me today wouldn't work. Either Cobalt votes you and you have to cross-vote, and I'm the decider, in which case pushing me makes me resent you, plus it's useless. Or you vote first, but if you vote for me... Cobalt becomes the decider, and he'd vote you. So, flipping your read and going for Cobalt here is exactly what you'd need to do as a wolf, because hoping I listen to Reg on Cobalt is a way better shot than hoping Cobalt votes for me.

But I know I'm being a bit unfair there. I'm saying your progression has wolf agenda, but it could just be that you're a townie who is genuinely re-evaluating and has come to the correct conclusion. And that'd be fucking awful of me to call you a wolf for doing that. And it'd be awful of me to call you a wolf for wanting to take the 48 hours to wait for Waco yesterday when that was the objectively correct play and the only reason the rest of us weren't doing it was because we were over it and wanted the game to end. (And if you're town, you were even right to wait for him, because he was town) That said, I feel your progression fits exactly a wolf agenda here, and, I don't know, I need you to tell me why I'm wrong on that.

Ending this post here. I'm going to read your quote wall in-depth now. Obviously I'm not snap voting, so if you're town, I'm listening to you.

 

Oh, the side-note about the paragraph with the * is: I said that by pushing that hammer through, Cobalt would be risking me being like "okay, nah, that's one push on a townie too many, cobalt has to die", but I do admit it's possible that as scum, he a) wanted to ensure it went through because any wagon that isn't him going through is a win for him, who probably didn't expect to get this far anyway and is just desperate, and b) nevermind if it'd change my opinion on him, you were townreading him and showing doubts on me, so even if it made me turn on him, he might still expect you to vote for me today, and that's why he was okay pushing it through

This is where Gemma is rolling in her grave because I'm continuing to view things based on assumptions of what scum would or would not do, which she'd call wifom. I disagree with her on that, scum will not make risky plays that will bring attention to them, just hoping that town wifoms it away. Unless they have to, and maybe Cobalt just felt he had to.

 

Also, just to be clear: none of the above mentions what is probably the most relevant factor here which is that this is a choice between someone i've thought was towny all game and always sync'd with their posts, vs someone who i was always getting weird pings from which i then disregarded but then kept feeling but then disregarded again and then the people telling me to disregard them were like "actually she can be scum" after all. So that's, like, the baseline here. There's a person here I've been townreading all game and a person I haven't been. But obviously, final 3, reset, etc. I'm trying not to just default into a yeet here, but I also have to be honest about how I'm feeling.

 

Even without the theoretical wolf agenda, I also need to look very carefully at why your read on Cobalt would've changed, because you were literally agreeing with me almost word-for-word yesterday on why he was town.

Again maybe more wifom, hoping I say "Well why would she do that as scum knowing I'd feel this way" but Gemma may believe it or not but my "wifom" reads have some limits and I wouldn't think that, no.

Anyway, meh. Reading now.

 

Actually I kind of need to go for a walk now while it's still somewhat early and the sun isn't too bad yet, not gonna let the game fuck with my mental health care routine. I've started reading your wall though and do have some thoughts to share.

 

Look man, if you looking for some sort of emotional reaction, you're not going to get one. I am town, and I am have poured way too much heart and soul into this game.

I did not go into Today thinking I was going to vote Cobalt. That read developed as I went through Day 1 again, knowing that is has to be one of you, and from reading his post at the beginning of the Day. Because he isn't trying to solve the game and hasn't been for a long time.

I felt nervous Yesterday because you both tried to push the yeet through, and justified it because of the wifom, that both of you would have known that pushing for a misyeet hammer would look bad so why do it? But one of you did do it, so I can throw that read in the trash where it belongs.

One of you has terrible interactions with your scummates and defended them to the end. For one of you, my shitty read on you interacting with Amy and Cuth like you thought they were town. And now I have to figure out who it is and convince them.

And I think it's probably you, and I think you've been townreading Cobalt for the entire game and aren't going to change now, so this is fucked. But I'm going to put in the effort anyway and I'm going to keep walling and I'm going to keep trying to be certain on whether it's you or Cobalt before this ends.

Your scum agenda idea isn't wrong. Scum me probably does want Waco to come back so I can misyeet Cobalt there. But it's not what happened, what happened was me trying to win the game, and refusing to 100% believe we caught the wolf, when I was never really hard scumreading Waco, and just voting him for poe, and when I already had to deal with tom and Von being town.

I think you're stuck in this paranoia of what could have happened and what it /could/ mean when the answer is that Cobalt did weird shit with his teammates because Amy was one of his teammates and coached him through it.

 

Here's the thing, I still agree with it, and still think Gemma's argument was super wrong.

But it doesn't matter, because either that logic is wrong, or you're scum, and after Day 1, the former is looking a hell of a lot more likely.

 

I don't have a good explanation for how Cobalt played this game, for what his agenda was as scum. I'm pretty sure it must have been to look like he was unaligned with Amy while defending her, and I think that must have come from Amy, but like, it's still hella weird and it's not what I expected. But we're here, so.

@Cobalt, if you're town, I'm open to your defense, and I'm always listening.

 

Also:

This was never about you, it was about Cobalt, and me being disturbed by his lack of consideration on you. I don't think this really helps me here, because it fits into the wolf agenda of me probably wanting to yeet Cobalt before Waco, but w/e, it's true and I'm saying it.

 

I'm warning you now, I will bring out the "literally ever dead town told you to do this shit" before this is over.

 

@Dels you should probably look at a town game from Cobalt to compare to, because the constants of him barely being involved with reads and not really caring outside of specific circumstances (like the Amy versus Tom Day) are not normal.

 

Jokes on me, taking a walk just gave me more time to think about the game anyway.

I'm gonna get back to Fonti soon but I wanna say a few things. This post doesn't contain any cases or reasoning so feel free to skip it. But I may as well be transparent in case it helps the townie see me as town, and this is also partially to explain my mindset to dvc, because I don't want to be yelled at if I make the wrong choice here.

I talked a lot about my dilemma of going with my own read on Cobalt, or listening to the majority of the (dead) town. It's a big thing for me, teamwork, listen to Reg, yada yada. But this comes back to what Gemma and I talked about yesterday. Everyone has a different way of looking at the game. Reg has his and I have mine. His was absolutely correct on days 2/3 and mine was wrong. That doesn't mean my way is never right. Reg's process led him to having Cobalt as most likely scum, and mine led me to townreading Cobalt. I care a lot about listening to people, but it doesn't always have to be "I need to listen to Reg", sometimes it might be "Reg needs to listen to me". He's not here, but if he's reading this. It's hard for me to have the self-confidence to say that, but sometimes I need to.

I also wouldn't view this decision as me going against dead townies, regardless of what I do. Reg and Gemma, notably, did not go to their deaths saying "Legacy: Never Fonti". Their townread there dialed back a lot. Reg had Fonti as the next most likely behind Cobalt. Listening to a dead townie does not always have to mean "Follow their written legacy word for word", sometimes it can just mean trying to figure out what their strengths are and which things they were likely right about. Reg moving Fonti from a never-yeet to a "3rd most likely" still means something. Gemma ended yesterday saying she'd eat a hat if Cobalt is town. This is all to say, my decision today won't be ignoring what any of them said. I'm taking it all into account either way, and deciding how best to weight their reads versus my own. Maybe that's just something I'm telling myself though.

And when I talk about what Reg's strengths are vs what my strengths are, one of my strength as a player is being able to have townreads on players that the entire rest of the game thinks are scummy.

I say this because I'm also admitting to my own biases. I have a bias towards wanting Cobalt to be town and me be right about it. I have a bias towards wanting Fonti to be the wolf and me voting her correctly. I need to take that into account. The good news is I also have a bias towards wanting to play well, and that means I also want to get past by biases where I have them.

Another thing about me is I play to win. I don't play "to make sure that if I lose, it's in the least embarrassing way". If Cobalt is town and I vote him, I will take zero solace in "Well, it's understandable. Anyone would have done it. Fonti's a good wolf, you have nothing to feel bad about." I want to get it right. People might not find it embarrassing if I voted Cobalt and Fonti won, but I'd be embarrassed, because of all the reasons above. If I voted Fonti and was wrong, I'd be less embarrassed, because I mentally prepare myself to be willing to look like a fool by making tough choices. This is another reason I may be biased towards wanting it to be Fonti, and I'm writing it out so that I can remind myself that it's illogical.

But ultimately, if I vote Cobalt here, it won't be because of any of this. This is all just me explaining my mindset. If I vote Cobalt here, it'll be because Fonti proves to me why her gameplay throughout the game doesn't come from a wolf, or it'll be because I remember that Cuth's interactions with her/Reg on day 2 looked spew-y, or just, any number of other things. I'm writing this all out so that this doesn't stand in the way of my choice, and I can make as objective a choice as possible.

And if I vote Cobalt, I won't feel bad about me turning on my townread. If Cobalt is town, then my "strength" of being able to townread him was something I did for, what, 7 whole days. If Cobalt is town and I vote him here, it won't be because I gave up on that townread, it'll be because I held it for as long as I could, and we weren't able to find the wolf in the past few days, and there's limits to how far a townread like that can go. So I'm absolving myself of just. A lot of these feelings, either way, regardless of what happens.

I also feel a bit silly about stating my intention so clearly. I've never been in a final 3, I'm not sure how it's meant to be played. I know some people believe townies should hold their cards closer to their chest. If Cobalt's the wolf, I don't want him to be able to just sit back and glom onto my Fonti case and go "yep yep, she's the wolf, vote her". If Cobalt's the wolf, he needs to still feel pressure, as if I could change my mind on him at any time. Which isn't even a lie. It's not like I'm locked in, I'm still considering everything, and if Fonti's town she should definitely be able to prove it to me.

Rambling done. Not gonna speak about this stuff anymore, but I'm glad I got this out so I can focus on just. Playing the game.

 

There's an argument that what I'm seeing from Cobalt versus you, and what you are seeing in Cobalt versus me, is more about bad versus good than scum versus town. Of course Dels/me posted more and reached out to people more and had broader worlds, we're just better players. But town!Cobalt still tries to figure things out, and still has variations in his reads, and still posts more thoughts. Town Cobalt doesn't usually get mucked up in self defense and try to diffuse pushes on him by being friendly and forget to scumhunt in the process.

 

Fonti, no, I wasn't looking for an emotional reaction from you at all? I was... I don't know, I was doing what I said? Putting my reasons out there so you can tell me why they're wrong if you're town.

And yes, straight up, regardless of whether you are town or wolf, your best tactic is to tell me that literally every dead town wanted this. (besides Vaimes, and even Vaimes sort of) I give you permission to use that tactic either way and if you're a wolf doing it I'll either suss it out as "AtE" or not.

Will reply to the rest after shower.

 

Don't really have anything to respond to here beyond Gemma was still voting Cobalt when she made the hat comment, which means it was probably tongue in cheek? Or she thought I was mafia and didn't want to vote me because she didn't want to get emotional, who the fuck knows. The point is, her actual legacy was kill Waco/Cobalt, in any order, and she said it multiple times.

 

I agree it's probably hard to know for sure what Gemma was thinking. I talked to her about you yesterday and she said you weren't a never yeet, but she didn't quite expand on what had changed from the day before, and yesterday. But yes, acknowledged, and consider that point struck.

 

I guess that post did help me feel better about you, and that's something.

Is the way I'm going through Days actually helpful? I'm picking out quotes for Day 2 now, and if not helping, I'd like to adjust to a better method before I spend three hours typing this out.

 

I don't know if this helps, but I was fully aware of the agenda angle that could come across with how I treated Waco Yesterday, and especially when I asked Cobalt about you, but I just did not care, because pursuing my reads in the moment and playing out the game with respect for other players is more important than worrying about getting misread down the line.