has waco really just not posted still? I think that's basically lock w at this point

but yeah I think it's always correct to go no elim and have fluff kill waco, and on the off chance fluff is fake the real judge can just kill him without having to out

 

Alright, finally got most of Visor's non-confirmed interactions:

Spoiler

Regarding an Amy post!!

Technically to Cuth, but it was mostly about Ampharos so... yeah; disregarding my Amy read, I do still feel like going in depth to townread a partner like this (particularly with the previous post) probably doesn't happen here!!!

This was regarding Grapefruit, seems about the beginning of the Grapefruit push here!!

Regarding Gira... I thought he was talking about something in Gira's posts, but there are only two reads there (three at most if you stretched to count me) so maybe he was talking about the reads he had already expressed on Amy/Grapefruit/Gira? There's also nothing behind this suspicion, noting it started at about the same time as Grapefruit's!!!

This was regarding Waco's post where he was asking Lissa if she's from MU or not... I don't actually recall this going anywhere?

Not relevant, talking about one of Lyric's posts; just found it amusing!!!!

What does "Cuthy" even mean anyway, Visor? Anyways he votes Grapefruit, continues the Amy/Cuth townreads and brings up me/Fonti as well, not much to them/shrug!!

Doesn't mention Waco again, which is noted!!!!

This was to Cuth, but I pulled it out because he was voting Grapefruit at the time as his counter; now I know reading into the reasoning here is probably a load of WIFOM, but I feel like him going on a longwinded tangent about the logic behind him voting his counter is potentially more of a thing you'd say about voting on town? He's getting all up in Cuth's face about him assuming he'd have just gone for a counterwagon, which gives me the feeling that Cuth was probably just right about him going for the counterwagon!!!

Technically it could be a distancing attempt considering Grapefruit had pushed the slot prior, but... that'd be some serious hard bussing both ways, don't really think they'd decide to do that together!!

Though actually this just occurred to me and don't know how much it matters, but Visor entered the game at about 6-10am EST, right? Given that besides myself Amy is perhaps the only other (uncleared) person who'd be online and I think she's town, that means that Visor had no one else to talk to in mafia chat getting in, which means that he was effectively unable to coordinate with the others at all for the beginning of the Grapefruit/Gira/Waco(?) pushes... so technically speaking, he wouldn't necessarily have known Grapefruit was the counterwagon while he started to push there? However, it is notable that he ended up voting Grapefruit once having caught up (based on the timing of his posts I'm assuming he did at least skim a good chunk of the game) so... this may be a moot point!!!!!! :/

Probably not relevant in the end, just something that popped into my head; let me know if anyone else can derive something useful from it!!!

So this is after a bunch more posts pretty much solely talking to Cuth/Lissa, which to be fair they seemed to be around a lot; otherwise... not really notable!!!!

Regarding Fonti saying something about him saying people were scummier than him... sure you are, Visor!!

Responding to Vaimes asking if he intended his claim to save him versus content, don't have much to say about though!!!

Noting that this was just after he claimed Priest!!

He says, a full sixteen minutes after his last post, to fonti voting Grapefruit and suspecting him... not really sure how useful looking at these posts can be given that he basically didn't solve after claiming, but I have the tabs open already so we'll see!!!!

He was responding to fonti about who the mafia were... could be a very small town point, if he was hoping she'd listen to him as town?

Fluff out of nowhere? And that was his last post... it's noted that he didn't mention Waco Kid here though!!!

Overall that did make me a bit more confident on Grapefruit/Amy being town and being more down with suspecting Waco Kid considering that suspicion seemed to disappear entirely, so... nice? He spent quite a lot of time on day 1 interacting with Cuth/Lissa unfortunately, which makes sense considering when he was active, but not really that helpful to us; he definitely didn't interact with anyone else anywhere near that level!!!!

Not really sure if that was helpful at all overall though, as it doesn't actually change anything major!!

If someone else finds something interesting in here, please go for it; I'm never collating another ISO of this type on DLP again though, too tedious!!!!

 

Apparently not; it's sort of weird though because I'd have expected him to post at least once regardless of alignment? Because if it's not Fluffiness then I wouldn't really say that the game's automatically over if him + someone else... could've tried to fakeclaim or something, still!!

Unless he's just really busy, for which disregard this post!!!

But still, over 24 hours!!

 

I'm sort of curious what direction you're going with the idea of them wanting the lump/claiming to?

 

I wasn't really sure, just felt weird to me because ??? Why? So I was pulling up the votecount to see if maybe it had something to do with perhaps wanting to get the lump over a partner, for which technically it could be Vaimes but they were tied at votes for that already, so... either voting to try and make us think they were cool with getting the lump or what Fluff said about wanting the Lump over getting voted, is where I'm at!!!

...Don't really think this was a useful train of thought, unfortunately!!

 

No, Waco did this last game and happened to be town. I think he was literally so busy he didn’t have time to post, town yeeted him, and in dead chat he was like “damn I was too late” or something.

If he doesn’t manage to post then oh well I guess but it’s unfortunately not a lock.

 

I also had a dream Newcomb replaced in.

 

Can I get thoughts on a nutella yeet after the fluff claim @Lissa @Ampharos?

 

Would probably not have any problems going that direction, tbh.

 

That last post by them is ehhh.

Unvote

 

wtf, you were the first to say we're allowing fluff to use his thing

and I'm pretty confident we get a hit in waco that way

what is prompting this heel turn?

 

From my POV, assuming fluff is real, the possible worlds are
-Waco/Grape
-Waco/Fonti
-There's a deepwolf

Fonti/Grape I've pretty much ruled out. Waco is just incredibly likely to be a hit here, and if he's not we may have a problem.

 

Would you mind looking at their progressions on Lyric over time and letting me know your thoughts?

 

Should we bother trying to coordinate Oracle and Clown? I was going to suggest they keep targeting Lissa.

 

@The Waco Kid everyone wants to kill you for being MIA. If you have ten seconds to spare, at least state if you're a needs-to-claim role or not.

 

If I find the time today I will.

 

There is no heel turn, I'm asking the people who called you town if they still believe it.

Frankly, your reactions to me are super weird. Did you not reread the previous Day? Because I'm pretty obviously scum with Lyric.

You should really talk about why you're sure Ara is town.

 

I was going to say we should put them on a target the priest might check, but simce they're guaranteed to both be alive, putting them on Lissa again is fine.

 

*not scum with Lyric, lol.

 

So other than the MIA part, business as usual for Day 2, lol. Got more than a little drunk at a Preakness (zoom) party yesterday.

Still need to go through EoD1 but based on D2, this is where we are right(?)

Waco
Cobalt
Lissa
Cuth

Fluff

---------In no order---------
Ampharos, Arapacolypse, Fontisian
Gira, Grapefruit, Nutella, Vaimes
-----------------------------

Lyric/slash

I'll be reading for the next while before work