He lives!

 

My hangover begs to differ

 

Okay actually have a few minutes now so looking through Grape's iso

This was an interesting callout and the lyric post in question (136) actually leaves me with a weird feeling about Amy, and as it happens so did a Visor post I noticed in Ara's analysis. I've been townreading Amy pretty strongly most of the game but if we do have a deepwolf, Voxx forbid, I think it may actually be her.

Here's the read that I found fake on D1. I don't know. It doesn't look as bad this time coming from a different angle. At the time I thought it was more likely a wolf pushing on town, and looking at it now I do think it's not so likely to be teammate behavior. Not impossible, and Grape is still ahead of most others in my poe, but..... bleh, I'm feeling kind of discouraged about my worlds now.

 

I suppose I'm not really that sure but I think occam's razor is that she's town. Had to do with behavior around the priest claim.

 

First reaction to the claim... okay this can go either way

Reaction to the CC. Could be deflated? But if I try not to confbias, it's whatever

Honestly his confidence that he's clear from....???what exactly?? may point to him just being town?


Ugh I really don't know. I think we have someone deeper.

 

Not being able to see quoted posts in isos is really rough. Fonti do you think you could help me out a bit and point to the first few places you talked about lyric before the replacement?

 

Hmmm.

Oh yeah there was this whole thing. I don't see any reason this can't be w/w tbh. Not to say the nickname mixup was faked or anything, but that fonti is pointing out an excuse for her teammate if that makes sense. (Again, alternatively amy deepwolf world etc etc)

......Don't like this.

I'm really unclear on how this progression happened.

In response to the classic tell of visor saying his predecessor's posts were scummy. Okay.


Alright grabbing lots of quotes from the iso is too much of a pain and there's a few more things after this that start to solidify a push on Visorslot before the claim. I still really don't think she's "obviously clear" from the progression but it's certainly not bad.

 

Sorry scratch that unless you think there's something really significant I missed early on there. But to add to that can you talk a bit about how you went from scumreading Grapefruit to scumreading Lyric? Were those reads related/did you still suspect Grape after opening up to the Lyric case?

 

Cuth and Lissa would be all over my ass if I was wolfing.

 

Considering this was about Lyric saying I was tmiing Amy as town and trying to buddy her /and/ Lyric claimed she didn't know Amy and Ampharos were the same person, I'm going to say Amy is pretty clear.

I agree. Looking at it, it does come off at that wolfy from Grapefruit.

I would like more detail, please.

When I'm talking about why I should be clear, I'm specifically talking about how Lyric tried to push me at the beginning of the game, not anything I did. Though I probably wouldn't have refused to unvote Visor as a wolf. Pushes can flip pretty wildly towards eod and I was communicated to Cuth there that I was unwilling to participate in that kind of last minute swing off of Visor.

The only place where my reads on the Lyric!slot and on Grapefruit had anything to do with each other was when Visor voted Grapefruit upon replacing in, at a time where I was starting to feel a bit better about Grapefruit. It felt like scum pushing town a bit, and it's part of why I didn't stick to my Grapefruit vote at eod (because I didn't believe Visor's claim, and didn't think they were both scum together). Thus there is no point where I went from scumreading Grapefruit to scumreading Lyric. I scumread Lyric when she started posting, and scumread Visor more when he was posting. I scumread Grapefruit initially and had it drop off over the course of the Day.

 

*Doesn't come off as that wolfy.

Sorry, I'm pretty sick and not great at thinking at the moment.

 

Alright, makes sense.

Why do you keep pushing me about Ara? Do you think she should be in the poe?

 

I'm not sure. I've never played with Ara before, and don't feel comfortable clearing her, especially with fluff being town.

 

Okay, fine, I'll just say it. I was pretty sure she was softing acolyte.

But the more I think about it the more I don't think that's enough to clear her, and I know Ara is clever enough with mechanics and such to make that look good if she's mafia.

 

I'm glad you noticed, I was like ~60% sure she was softing aco at one point and I thought it was all in my head.

She could be, I guess.

 

I feel like Nutella has been super genuine today. I wouldn't vote her.

I wasn't asked, but *shrug*

 

Is EoD tonight or tomorrow?

 

Updating my reads wall

Town clear
Lissa
Cobalt
Cuth
Fluff

Town read
Gira
Fonti
Amy

Town lean
Ara
Vaimes

Leftover
Waco
Nutella

Goal for today is confirming my town reads and then rereading Waco. I'll say again that Nutella is posting well toDay, but I still think she is scum. It's going to take an awful lot for me to move past the push on me and Gira in response to our push on Lyric. The idea that 2 people voting in that close succession must being ganging up or opportunistic, the implication is from a deep lyric trust (which doesn't have much reason at that stage) or a deeply suspicious place that didn't really show up in response to the other quick push (on Vaimes). Points to a chainsaw to me.

 

I don't think Waco really said anything that makes me want to give him an extra Day.

So we're just gonna have Fluff judge Waco?

 

* and if Fluff is not the Judge, the Judge just judges Fluff.