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Working on a plot bunny: HP/WoW Crossover, but need help

Discussion in 'Fanfic Discussion' started by KenderCleric, May 15, 2007.

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What World of Warcraft class should Harry be?

  1. Warrior

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  2. Hunter

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  3. Paladin

    6 vote(s)
    13.6%
  4. Priest

    1 vote(s)
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  5. Rogue

    4 vote(s)
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  6. Shaman

    6 vote(s)
    13.6%
  7. Mage

    6 vote(s)
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  8. Warlock

    18 vote(s)
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  9. Druid

    3 vote(s)
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  1. Shezza

    Shezza Renegade 4 Life DLP Supporter

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    Well, I'm all for this idea although I caution you that trying to focus on two stories at once is very difficult- I've tried it myself. Still, this sounds like an awesome idea and I'd read it if you wrote it.

    Now, for a class, I'd have to say that Harry should become a Paladin, for a number of reasons.

    Firstly, this "being" that sends Harry to Azeroth, s/he doesn't sound like s/he's a big fan of the demons, hmm? So, I don't see why he (I'll use he from now on) would want Harry screwing around with demonic magicks if the being means to use Harry as a weapon against the Burning Legion and Voldemort. A paladin is pretty much the opposite of a demon, so I can see the being manipulating events into making Harry become as anti-demon as possible.

    Secondly, although the idea of a Light!Harry and Saviour!Harry is cliche, even more so is the standard Indy!Harry who gains dark powers. Besides, I can see Harry using a lot of light powers with great effectiveness against Voldemort and the demons. You don't have to stick just with WoW spells - you could make plenty up yourself. Harry using demonic powers would be good if you wanted a sort of good/evil conflict, but other than that, I'd say it'd be a no-no.

    Thirdly. Harry + Massive Hammer = FTW!

    Fourthly. Harry + Massive Hammer = FTW!!!!!
     
  2. KenderCleric

    KenderCleric Lord of Plot Bunnies

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    I'm sensing you like the idea of Harry using something like this...

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    To teach the Death Eaters the error of their ways? While perhaps wearing armor like this...

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    (to WoW players...yes. It's Tier 2 Judgement...but come on. It's the only Paladin set that doesn't blow in looks.)
     
  3. KenderCleric

    KenderCleric Lord of Plot Bunnies

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    Ok. Here's a teaser. There's nothing saying this will actually appear in the fic when I get around to writing it, but now you'll see why I was leaning toward Paladin.


    The shadows hung oppressively over the streets of Hogsmede dispelling any of the warmth the village usually held. The street lamps flickered and nearly died out as a shard, chilling breeze howled through the center of town. The soft pops and louder cracks of apparition echoed along the deserted streets. Soon frightened eyes peered out from windows all along the High Street in a morbid sense of anticipation. The Death Eaters had arrived.

    “Remember to take care it what you destroy. The master wants the village beaten and unwilling to aid the Minister and those fools in the Order, but not destroyed. He has no wish to rule over…” the steel-lined silk voice of Lucius Malfoy died out at the sound of several dozen people apparating just up the street.

    “Good evening.” the genial voice of the Headmaster rose above the sudden noise filling the street. “I’m afraid we can’t allow you to continue here. Do be so good as to surrender.”

    The replies from the Death Eaters were wide, varied, and highly insulting.

    “Very well. I’m sorry then that…” but Dumbledore’s words halted as both factions became away of a growing sound from the darkness of a connecting avenue. All eyes shifted to the abyss of shadows which hung over the intersection the noise echoed from.

    The sound was unusual in the wizarding world. The distinct hiss of metal shifting against metal combined with the occasional ruffle of fabric. Heavy thuds with a soft metallic grind fell at a perfectly paced interval almost like footsteps upon the cobbled street. The apprehension of both parties on the High Street visibly rose as neither knew what portents the strange noise held. Their unease only rose when the source stepped out of the shadows and into the revealing light of the street.

    It was, as many would later comment, like watching a leviathan emerging from the murky depths of the sea.

    As the figure approached the edge of the shadows the first any of the spectators noticed was a pair of softly glowing white eyes. Within a breath’s span the outline a tall humanoid could be determined, though its shoulders appeared over large. Light began to reflect a golden hue at odd angles from the figure. It took only moments for the light to spread across the now highly intimidating figure.

    There, between the two opposing factions stood an intimidating being of unknown origin. A black hood surrounded a mask whose only distinct feature among a sea of darkness was a faint golden outline of the jaw which intersected a red and gold line running down the center of the face. On either side of the bisecting line glowed two white eyes.

    The hood, however, was not the disturbing portion of the visage. The being was obviously heavily armored as the glint of gold and crimson shone brightly in the lamplight. The metallic shifting sounds from a moment before became clear as both Death Eaters and Order members took in the sight of what appeared to be a plate-lined robe of some nature.

    Large pauldrons rested on the figure’s shoulders; each prominently displaying a crimson and gold diamond-shaped plate which bore the unmistakable image of the Scales of Justice. Ornately scuplted onto the surface of the shoulder armor was the image of some sort of open tome with a glinting golden dagger resting amid its crease.

    Shifting lightly behind the armored figure the outline of a long cloak could be seen flapping lightly in the night’s breeze. However, most eyes fell on the frightening figure’s armor-gloved right hand and the exceedingly large and vicious looking weapon it held. Four wickedly sharp ridges curved out and upward from the head of what could only be a mage. The ridges seemed to have a faint bluish tent with bronze undertones. The shaft’s length was indeterminable as it vanished into the shadows behind the strange being.

    Suddenly a tenor voice filled the air. Its words carried a sense of power behind them that came as no surprise considering its source. The words were short and simple; none of the wizards could mistake their meaning as terror blossomed in the hearts of the Dark Lord’s servants.

    “Death Eater swine; your Judgment has come.”


    Suddenly a bright golden light spiraled out from the figure as a murmured word no wizard knew came from the hidden lips of the figure. The light coalesced into a golden band of runic writing which spun upward around the mysterious being. When the band of light rose above the figures head it shifted into the ghostly image of a classically armored knight before fading away.

    The strange display of magic was the only warning either group had.

    A bellowed cry of “This world shall be cleansed!” preceded the armored figure’s sudden, and startlingly fast, movement into the heart of the Death Eater’s circle. The mace was hefted with practiced ease, grasp by both of the figure’s hands, and swung in a swift upward arc before any of Voldemort’s minions had fully comprehended what was happening.

    Lucius Malfoy spun on his heels to face the figure that dares threaten the Dark Lord’s followers. His right hand swiftly brought up his wand and the opening syllables of the killing curse rolled off his tongue like a vile honey. However, the words died in a whimper and his eyes widened for a brief moment as he realized his mistake. The figure’s weapon had been aimed at him.

    A sickening and wet snap-pop sound filled the night as mace and victim collided. A bright golden flash came from the weapon and the odor of burning flesh pervaded the High Street. Lucius Malfoy was lifted bodily off the ground and thrown like a tenderized slab of beef down the boulevard. Death Eaters and Order members alike simply stood in shock, jaws agape, as Malfoy’s body landed at Dumbledore’s feat. The man’s chest was simply missing as a large charred hole could be seen clearly where his ribcage should have been.

    Before any of the gathered wizards had a chance to come to their senses another flash of golden light and a gut-wrenching splattering sound drew their attention. A headless body of another Death Eater glided backwards to impact lifelessly on a nearby wall. Crimson mist and small bone fragments settled on the nearby wizards and street as the only remains of the man’s skull.

    The wizards, who at that moment witnessed a third Death Eater lifted bodily off the ground and flung into the shadows by the deadly mace, suddenly came to their senses and all hell broke loose.



    Edit: Gah. Double post and this is in the wrong thread. Right. No more posting until the 2nd cup of coffee in the morning.
     
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  4. Wergan

    Wergan Third Year

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    Personally when your talking about giant hammer and armor I get an idea of more along the lines of http://blizzard.com/war3/conceptart/paladin.shtml but I guess I can kinda see judgment working, if your going for the whole let me make you crap your pants because I'm so freaky weird looking like an angle of judgment coming to rip your soul from the world' approach which is cool and all.

    Ok so thats just a unfleshed out idea for how you could get the training to work, you got a couple problems with the time line form the time line I used the first war ended and two years later the second started. Then you also have the problem that the Order of the Silver Hand and the Pallidans in general didn't start to train in there path until right after the first war. (You may want to do some fudging of the time lines here to make it realistic)

    I hope you can gain something from my plot line above even if its only an idea or two. Also sorry if I keep posting long ranty posts, but I get an idea and it just keeps coming until I have really long posts.

    Links:
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    [URL="http://www.blizzplanet.com/content/175/"]Time Line[/URL]
    [URL="http://www.wowwiki.com/Uther_Lightbringer"]Info on Uther[/URL]
    [URL="http://www.wowwiki.com/Holy_Light"]Info on the Holy Light[/URL]
    
     
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  5. Vendo

    Vendo Fourth Year

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    Here's an idea. Harry could be second son of Highlord Mograine the original wielder of the Ashbringer (before it was corrupted) and have Harry make a new Ashbringer like the lore says.

    heres be the back ground info on where a player goes into scarlet monastary with the corrupted ashbringer.

    http://www.wowwiki.com/Corrupted_Ashbringer/Scarlet_Monastery_Event

    Although thats gonna take a bit of work, Harry would either have to be not Jame's son or something equally confusing.
     
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  6. Datakim

    Datakim Chief Warlock

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    Interesting.

    I don't have much experience in Warcraft having never played WoW or anything but it seems you intend to have the story take place mostly in HP-world?

    I wonder how much crossover material this will bring? I mean like I said i don't know WoW but WoW is hardly the first fictional universe to have Warlocks or whatever. How will you show that it actually is a Wow-crossover rather than just Harry-with-a-big-hammer raised in some other world?

    I voted Warlock in the poll however paladin does sound interesting too. One problem i have with this however is how you were planning on dealing with long-range magic attacks? I mean if there's lets say 100 meters between Harry and a death eater then whats stopping the DE from just AKing Harry when he starts running the distance waving his hammer? It would get pretty boring if you had every DE be too surprised/terrorized to cast spells. I mean in the snippet you wrote you had Malfoy start casting AK and then start whimpering in fear instead of finishing the spell when he sees that the hammer is headed for him. Seems odd that he would not have finished the spell and taken Harry out. If he had time to see the hammer coming then surely he had time to blurt the word kedavra.

    I would think magic in HP world would defeat blunt-instruments-of-death 9 times out of 10. Thats why I voted warlock since that sounded very magical but still different. Mage seems boring since it seems so similar to HP wizards. Ofcourse I admit there are lots of demon-summoning Harry's out there too. Maybe Druid would be original? Hmh.

    I did wonder about the whole thing where Harry is an anchor for Voldemort. I mean anchor would imply that Harry was somehow, well, anchoring Voldemort to the world. And yet you say that killing Harry would return Voldy back? What is up with that.

    Also who are the "beings" that watched. You imply that they are good and light and yet have no problem whatsoever in wiping out Harry's memories. Ofcourse since he would be very young there would not be much to remove but still that kind of mental brainwashing sounds rather "evil". Also if they are powerfull enough to move Harry between worlds then why cant they just whack Voldemorts spirit on their own? And finally how exactly would defeating Voldy defeat the Legion? Would they not still have soldiers or whatever in Azeroth still? Maybe all of this is already dealt in WoW mythology and if so feel free to ignore my comments. As I said earlier, i have never played WoW.

    All in all this does seem as though it has potential. I just hope you wont abandon your SG-crossover since I like that too. :)
     
  7. Wergan

    Wergan Third Year

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    Pallidians can become invulnerable for a short period of time, long enough to get close enough to kill. At point blank range I have serious doubts about a wizards magic. You are also forgetting (like I did earlier) that Harry also has wizards magic which imo he should be able to use traditionally and also tie into his other abilities/weapons.
     
  8. Vendo

    Vendo Fourth Year

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    I think the OP said the hammer would be Harry's focus.
     
  9. KenderCleric

    KenderCleric Lord of Plot Bunnies

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    The first thing you have to know about WoW is that Paladins are a pain in the arse to kill no matter who you bloody well are. Well...until they run out of mana that is.

    ...but I digress.

    The challenges of writing a crossover for any of the WoW classes into the HP-verse would be many - no question there. I also won't deny that there are some rather large plot-holes to the scenario I've got set up. Keep in mind that this is a very young concept that I'm still tinkering with so nothing is set in stone. Hell, I don't even have the main character's backstory worked out yet. ;)

    As to the "being" mentioned it's called a Naaru. I could've sworn I wrote something about it in there, but looking back I realize I didn't. They are being of almost pure light and are in direct opposition of the Legion. There was no evil intent in wiping Harry's memories - keep in mind he was 5 and living at the Dursleys. He'd have been scared out of wits to suddenly wind up in a different world that was just coming out of a war. Not to mention life at the Dursley's in his short memory wouldn't exactly be wonderful, nor would the supressed memory of Voldemort killing his mom.

    As to the "anchor" issue. The way I looked at it was that due to the nature of the rebounded curse and Voldemort's death Harry acted as an anchor of sorts, grounding Voldemort's direct connection to his Soul Stones. This grounding effect would be broken if Harry died or his blood was directly applied to one of the stones - and then *poof* Voldemort's back. Does the concept need to be flesh out? Oh hell yeah. Will it be done anytime soon? I doubt it since I'm working on ch. 4 of Legacy. ;)


    Edit: Oh..and as to that whole scene with Lucius and the AK. Yeah...everything before and after Lucius' death was filler. I just wanted to write a scene where Harry one-shoted the uppity blond bastard.

    Edit2: Didn't want to double post, but I thought I'd let the non-WoW players have a better idea of what the demons Harry would be able to summon are.

    Voidwalker:
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    Imp:
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    Succubus:
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    Infernal:
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    Felguard:
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    And lastly, here's two ideas of what Harry would be wearing normally.

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    or

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  10. Vendo

    Vendo Fourth Year

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    This kinda reminds me a of naruto crossover idea i had.

    Naruto uses the reverse summon and lands himself in Quel'Thalas where he is captured and taken to Prince Kael'thas of the High Elves. He submits his story and is raised by them. Life goes on with naruto and the elves where he is apprenticed under Kael'thas until Arthas and the Scourge come to ransack Quel'Thalas, as luck (possibly) would have it he gets ported back to the elemental countries, 6 months before the graduation. How will the ninja react if naruto had a haughtier attitude then the Uchiha and magics of all the Highboune?


    Basically Naruto accidently summons himself to Quel'Thalas where he learns the magics of Warlock, Priest and Mage class spells. Oh and the attitude.


    Edit1

    i rather like the Voidheart set myself

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  11. KenderCleric

    KenderCleric Lord of Plot Bunnies

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    Yeah.

    You mentioned elves. High Elves. Why ruin a perfectly good fic that way? Go with the Gnomes! They have Warlocks, Mages, and Gnomish World Enlargers. What more could you want for a Naruto crossover?

    ...besides wanting 0 mentions of Elves of any sort other than "House" or "Dead".
     
  12. Vendo

    Vendo Fourth Year

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    *rolls eyes*

    Not everyone has your hatred for the High/Blood Elves. For the record i HATE gnomes, Alliance in general actually. For the Horde!
     
  13. Datakim

    Datakim Chief Warlock

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    Oh yes. I think I played Warcraft3 a long time ago and now that I think of it paladins could become invulnerable for brief moments. Will that make Harry a bit too powerfull however? I mean where is the challenge if anytime he gets into trouble he can just make himself impervious to all harm?

    As for the whole wiping memories thing. I cannot help but feel that wiping out the memories of a person, no matter the reason, is always evil. Just because Harry's memories are not all happy gives this Naaru no right to just remove them. I could see some cold-hearted being for whom Harry is but a puppet and a weapon and nothing more doing so. However you imply that Naaru is good and kind.

    A truly good being would first of all give Harry a choice about this rather than just kidnapping him against his will for the "greater good". And if/when Harry agreed to leave for the other world he would certainly not wipe his mind clean. One could say that from a certain point of view erasing all of Harry's mind would be destroying his personality and essentially killing him.

    Still I know nothing of this Naaru so maybe he has no problems breaking a few eggs to make an omelette or however the expression goes. However I figure that if you really want to show him as super-good it would be far better to explain to Harry that he is offering to take him from the Dursleys to a better place and then after permission transferring him there with all his memories intact. Or something.

    Okay, seems that I started complaining again. Better stop. ;)

    Btw. Whats up with the elf-hate? Are they horrid in WoW? :p

    PS. I almost wish that you would choose Warlock just to see the reactions of say Dumbledore and Snape when Harry summons a succubus ;)
     
  14. Wergan

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    I concur with the whole memory wipe and kidnapping sentiment. Maybe he is given a choice, with a temporary memory wipe. As in when he wakes up he has no memories but over time he regains them after he adjusts the world.
     
  15. Verse of Darkness

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    Oh yeah. Are you going to limit the classes? What I mean is, the WoW MMORPG DRASTICALLY limits the classes. From the amount of demons a Lock could have to the watcher role of a Druid. For an example, you could somehow incorporate Harry into becoming a Death Knight, or Harry becoming a Farseer Shaman. If you decided to pick a Class for Harry, you have to make sure that it isn't limited as to the game.
     
  16. KenderCleric

    KenderCleric Lord of Plot Bunnies

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    I repeat: Harry is 5. His memories include a cupboard under the stairs, an uncle that yells at him, a cousin that hits him, and an aunt that looks like a horse. He's really not loosing anything - including a personality as he's never been allowed to develope one. Hell...at age 11 he barely has a personality. :rolleyes:

    As to giving him a choice...you're kidding right? Did he get a choice (in canon) about the prophecy? No. How do you ask a 5 year old "Excuse me. Would you mind terribly if I removed you from the only place you know to go across the cosmos to another world that is being ravaged by an Orcish Horde bent on softening the world up for Demonic invasion?"

    Hell...at age 5 you would have totally confused and scared Harry just my asking him if he minded something.

    The Naaru is more concerned about stopping the Legion's influence on Earth and eventually stopping the Legion all together. If that means that one kid looses the 2.5 years of accessible memories he may have, taking him away from an abusive family, and placing him somewhere that he can learn and grow then I don't see the Naaru having any issues about doing it.

    It's better for Harry. It's better for Earth, and it's better for Azeroth.

    Yeah, not a lot of evil going on there.

    Edit:
    I thought I'd touched on this earlier, but it might have been a conversation somewhere else. The abilities etc. that the class for Harry may have in the game will only be a base. His abilities will be adapted to fit both the WoW world and the Harry Potter universe.
     
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  17. Datakim

    Datakim Chief Warlock

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    If he has no personality then what need is there to erase anything? :D
    Seriously though, are 5 year olds so blank? I would have expected that a five year old child would be intelligent enough to understand stuff already. Still, I admit I havent worked with children that young nor do I have any of my own so I cannot really say. Maybe you know better. :)

    Ofcourse not. But then I would not say that the prophecy was good or "light". At best it would be of the "neutral" variety which you mentioned in your first post I think. However the idea I got was that Naaru was some being of utter light or something so he should care even if the prophecy did not. Still maybe I misunderstood what Naaru is about.

    Thats fine with me. It is a more practical approach but not "absolute good" path. End justifies the means and all that stuff. In the long run it may save lots more lives so I suppose it could be said that its not really evil.

    However, it does give someone like me who has never heard of Naaru before an impression of some godlike being who does what he wants without worrying too much about the wishes of mere mortals. I dunno. I think it makes it a bit hard to like or root for the victory of someone who sees humans as chess pieces.

    Just a reaction i have to the idea of just taking a kid, wiping his mind clean and then dropping him off to some other world to be turned into a weapon. *shrug*

    Reminds me a bit of the manipulative Dumbledore actually. :) Or maybe I am just thinking about this too much. Let's move on.

    Just out of curiosity how were you planning on mixing HP wizard abilities with paladin abilities. Or is that still a secret? Also who exactly is going to train Harry in his magic since if i understood correctly the magic in HP world is totally different to the magic in Azeroth.
     
  18. KenderCleric

    KenderCleric Lord of Plot Bunnies

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    Heh. Check out the work by author area. I've pretty much gone in a totally different direction from where this thread started. The class issue kinda became outdated.

    Thanks, though, to everyone who voted. Believe it or not it was the votes for Warlock that ended up making me think of the new direction for the fic. Now Harry is going to become very familiar with this man...

    [​IMG]
     
  19. Vendo

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    Wasn't he dead by this point?
     
  20. KenderCleric

    KenderCleric Lord of Plot Bunnies

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    "Dead" and "Medivh" are two words that don't work well together.

    He was "killed" in Warcraft 2..I think. Might have been the end of WC1, but I don't think so. Yet *poof* there he is in Warcraft 3 telling people to "Go West, young man."

    So...claiming he's dead is about as useful as Voldemort saying he's going to kill "That Potter Brat" one of these days. Don't believe it 'till you kick the corpse yourself.

    Besides...this is the Warcraft universe we're talking about. NO ONE stays dead for long.
     
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