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Pros and Cons of OOTP Movie

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Spanks, Jul 11, 2007.

  1. Spanks

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    Okay, since I can't find how to use a spoiler tag (please tell me how, I can't find anything in the FAQ), I will just warn you now that if you didn't see the movie, don't read if you don't want to know some things. So I put a couple spaces between this and the pros and cons before you read.








    Pros:

    1) Good acting all around. Ralph Fiennes really gives this sort of human side to Voldemort. Lady who played Umbridge was pretty good, her voice got on my nerves, which was a good thing for the character.

    2) Didn't miss all that much important stuff from the books considering they had to cut a lot from the books.

    3) The kiss between Harry and Cho was hardcore :banana: They were going at it like the beginning of a porn movie.

    4) Magic looked cooler than last movies, better looking Patronus and stuff.

    5) Bellatrix licking her Dark Mark was hot as hell imo. She looked fucking insane too.

    6) Fight scene at the DoM was great compared to all magical fights we have seen in the movies so far. The fight with Voldemort and Dumbledore had some great magic shown.

    7) The small scenes with Harry and Snape were pretty good.

    Cons:

    1) Okay, the big one is....Ginny. Oh my fucking god, they made her into this uber witch. All of her spells looked like something Dumbledore or Voldemort would do, they were powerful as hell. She destroyed that stone thing that no one else could, and destroyed the hall of prophecies with one spell. Blah, made me sick watching it.

    2) Fight scene at the end was too short for my taste. While the fight with Dumbles and Voldy was great but they cut out some stuff I wanted to see. For example, they didn't apparate around each other, and Dumbledore didn't use the Statues as weapons.

    3) When Harry found out his dad was a dick head he didn't question anyone about it. He seemed to just brush it off.

    4) The scene when James, Sirius and co was very short, more like a glimpse.

    That is all I have for now, add more if you want.
     
  2. Lord North

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    yeah I think you got the gist of it
    I was actually really disappointed with the movie
    the scene that harry sees of snape and the marauders was so short
    and idk if they did it in your theater but in my theater when harry was about to talk to cho, there is a shot of ginny looking back at them and everybody in my movie theater awwwwed, ha it was so annoying.

    I was most disappointed with the dept of mystery scene.
    the magic looked great but like the fight between the kids and the death eeaters was eh, I thought it was cool when harry was running and that death eater was like right next to him but he wasnt running just like flying

    and the voldemort vs dumbledore fight was good but could have been better
     
  3. sirius009

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    Positives:
    -Acting: the acting was spectacular IMO. The actors have really grown into these roles well and it sure as hell shows, Hermoine is brilliant, Ron is Ron, and Harry is good. In my opinion Umbridge and Luna was great. Umbridge was annoyingly sweet and funny while at the same time being a complete and total bitch. The actress who played Luna was absolutely brilliant, she was exactly how i invisioned her; she was completly loony and acted like a complete cokehead.
    - Visual effects: The whole movie is really dark and eerie. The special effects are outstanding.
    - The whole Azkaban breakout scene was cool, and Bella is brilliantly evil, and in a weird way hot at the same time.
    Besides that though, nothing was good.

    Negatives:
    I'll put it this way, if my mom was to watch the movie she would not know what the hell was going on, if you haven't read the book you would be completly confused. They skip over so much it's not even funny, not just little things either. A few things that they missed just off the top of my head are:
    - Weasley is our king and quidditch.
    - Ron was with hermoine and harry when they finally meet Grawp.
    - There is no Marietta Edgecombe, instead Cho is interrogated and that's how umbitch finds out about the DA.
    - The DoM battle scene left out Dolohov's curse, the brains, and Nevilles brave attempt to stun Bella w/ a broken nose (he doesn't even get a broken nose).
    - Neville, not Dobby, discovers the Room of Requirement, and somehow Hermoine knows all about it.
    - The most important part of the series, the prophecy, is briefly gone over, hell they don't even say the whole prophecy.
    - The Weasley prank was brilliant, but forgot the Swamp.
    - They made it appear as though harry and Cho were dating, and left out hogsmeade and madam puddifoots.
    The new DE out fits reminded me of the immortals from 300. What they did do well was glorify the DA, and made Harry seem a hell of a lot stronger and more powerful than he really was.
     
  4. Bug-Eyed Earl

    Bug-Eyed Earl First Year

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    I thought it was really amusing the way the men in the audience seemed to get excited when Tonks walked in.
     
  5. Spanks

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    I hated the audience I watched the movie with. They were laughing at parts that weren't supposed to be funny. People started cracking up when Harry yelled "Look at me" and when Luna first showed up, etc. When they first entered the Hall of Prophecies the screen got funky and people started yelling and cursing. They were actually making things worse by yelling during the movie.
     
  6. QuaziJoe

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    They didn't recite the whole prophecy... Thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard!

    Personally I would have skipped the whole memory pensieve thing since they've already skipped alot of the marauders back story. They they could have fitted in the whole prophecy scene...

    Maybee its part of the bonus scenes for the dvd. They said they would have a whole bunch of Trewlawney stuff in it...
     
  7. Snarf

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    Positives:

    -Luna Lovegood; her acting was amazing. Fit in everything I ever imagined her character to be like. She was pretty hot too, though a bit young. She grows a bit and gets some 'T's and I'd be all over that.

    -Bellatrix Lestrange; almost better then Luna! She was the shit! Insane
    hackling, licking her dark mark, and the way she held herself. Perfect Bella.

    -special effects were pretty nice, but not overly amazing.

    -Crookshanks eating the extendable ear. Lulzy as hell.

    -Grawp and the Thestrals were hot shit. Beast. Oh, along with the centaurs. They were all bad ass.

    -Umbridge was perfectly in character, everything I ever imagined her to be. She was pretty strong magically with that same touch of arrogance I always saw in her. Perfect.



    Con's(there are a lot):

    -They made Little Whining into an urban farmland! The park isn't in any suburbs, it's out between four fields of corn. Bull shit.

    -Aunt Petunia looked like a dirty whore, all tan with a tiny little sun dress on that barely covered anything. I threw up in my mouth.

    -Dudley and his group looked like wanna-be gang-bangers and the acting was particularly terrible by all of them. Either they had dip in their mouth or all of them had been punched in the face.

    -What happened to staying in the clouds when they flew to Headquarter? They were flying by ships in the harbor and Tonks and Harry were playing 'dodge the tourist boat'. Sad.

    -Bloody well forgot about the fidelius completely. Moody tapped his staff(he had no wand through-out the movie and they use it to make the sound of his non-existent peg-leg) and the place did the whole appearing trick.

    -Harry didn't seem depressed or angry most of the time at all. Seemed like he would much rather be groping for Hermione or Luna then anything.

    -Ginny's little Reducto seemed to be more powerful then anything else the entire DA could do.

    -Seemed everyone in the DA could cast a patronus, each of them taking shape while Harry's never seemed to at the beginning of the movie.

    -She had a whole class writing lines with the blood quills.... strange to me, but okay.

    -No Dobby, Hermione somehow knows about RoR, and Neville's the one to find it.

    -When they were in the DoM, the death eaters were like these black wraith things, never casting a spell and just swirling around like vampires slapping with uber dark tentacles.

    -DE's looked like wanna-be aztek gods with their (dark?) masks. Each was different, like creating your own mask was part of becoming a Death Eater.

    -The prophecy wasn't stated correctly(how hard could it be?) and it stated the incorrect prophecy right after he grabbed it from the shelves.

    -The OotP members were the opposite to the death eaters, swarming around like fairies in their pure white patronus colored light and having evil/good color battles with the DE's.

    -Sirius is killed with a Killing Curse that throws him back into the veil? Maybe I just heard wrong and Bellatrix didn't say 'Avada Kedavra'....

    -The battle between Voldemort and Dumbledore didn't have a word stated, nor did any spells come out that a canon reader would know. Elemental spells, serpents made of fire, and the brother wand problem seemed to also work with Dumbledore's wand. Odd, but okay.

    In the end, cool special effects, especially when I got to watch them in 3-D :D, but that seemed to be the only 3-demensional part of this movie. Luna was hot, Herman wasn't cause she's Herman(though she was a little cute), and I hate Cho's voice. In the end, I'd give it a 3/5.

    Not good enough for DLP.
     
  8. Lady Rebecca

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    Was it just me, or was there alot more injected humor in this one?

    When Hermione mentions the "emotional rage of a teaspoon," it was really odd that they all just sat there and laughed, it was quite irritating, it looked as if they just fell out of Character.

    I didn't like that Neville has practically replaced Dobby. First Gillyweed, now this!

    "You're as sane as I am" was wtf

    Minerva was awsome, but there was no replacement for Trelawny, where was the hot centaur?

    I liked the "I'm sorry professor, but I must not tell lies" when Umbridge was carted off

    I thought the DoM was rediculus and just wasteful.

    It was really compacted, and none of the periferal characters got any lines to speak of really.

    I didn't approve of the mass hall of blood quills either!
     
  9. Spanks

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    I think the mass blood quills was detention for the DA members. Fred and George were in the room too and they don't have classes with Harry so I think it was a mass detention.

    I am pretty sure that it was the killing curse Bella used against Sirius. It also had the green glow of the curse.
     
  10. Lord North

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    yeah I thought I heard her say 'Avada Kedvra', even though I always thought that when your hit with the killing curse you die immediatly but Sirius is able to like turn his head and look at Harry.
     
  11. Lord North

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    Oh and I definatly agree with what everybody is saying, that Luna and Bellatrix were how I pictured them.
     
  12. Gabrinth

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    No double posting, btw, Lord North. As me and Kolskit are twins we both saw the movie at the same time so he mostly gave everything that I would have said. 'Harry and Cho's kiss was like the beginning of a porn movie'??? Maybe a soft core movie for twelve year olds. They were standing up stiff as boards, not even touching or holding each other, and their necks were bent out at odd angles to be able to reach as they were five inches apart. And Harry's acting was just as horrible as always. There was no expression on his face or feeling in his voice besides the Christmas scene when he screams at Dumbledore.

    PROS (That kolskit didn't mention or that I want to reiterate): Luna was fine as hell and they did her part perfectly. From the very beginning I knew she was a hit. Tonks flirted unabashedly with Harry at the beginning which I thought was amusing. Bella was pretty fine though her teeth were absolutely disgusting. Dumbledore did his best acting yet (this Dumbles at least). They did Fudge and Umbridge pretty well. The pope outfit that Fudge was wearing when Harry saw him and Lucius talking amused me. There were a lot more humorous scenes in this one. Did I mention the fact that every scene with Luna were the best and that they kept the whole movie from being rather droll?

    CONS: I really have to add in my annoyance at the beginning. Yes there was a drought but Surrey didn't suddenly turn into barren dirt roads! And Mrs. Figg? Babushka!!! She looked like an old russian women! I thought Trawleney's acting was horrible. The ending was so lame that I felt like crying. The effects were cool and people who weren't obsessive about Harry Potter probably loved it but it was truly uber!fanon battle scenes. I thought the slash ninja fangirls had come in and taken over during the DoM battle scenes. Everyone somehow turned into vampires! When the hell did Death Eaters gain the ability to go into ghost warrior form? And the same thing with the Order? And I didn't know that Dumbledore and Riddle could do super!elemental!wandless!magic. Fire basilisks? LotR-esque water attacks? Super DBZ explosions of energy? it really got on my nerves.

    4.5/5 if it was just any movie and I didn't know the real story line and how badly it compared. 3/5 or so for the movie when my mind compares it to canon.
     
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  13. Erotic Adventures of S

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    Oh for fucks sake stop sucking up. Yeah people here hate Ginny but she was nothing like that in the movie. She did a spell that everyone else was doing and then she used REDUCTO to blow up something everyone else was using a floating spell on idiot. So no shit she blew it up she's the only one that tried.

    In the battle her spell knocked over a shelf ZOMG!!!!11!! super Ginny... or not.

    I dislike her as much as the next DLPer but get it right fuckwit.



    Been about three hours since I saw it.

    Pros:-

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    Nah can't think of any.

    Well a bit of an exageration but it is pretty shit.

    The DE's costume is FAR better this time. The thing they wore is GOF was idiotic.

    Gwarp was done ok. Not how I pictured him but better than they have done shit in the past.

    The threstels were great.

    Tonks was good but thats because I was expecting her to be crap and she was ok.

    Luna was great

    Cons:

    The acting is just as bad as it has always been. The guy who plays Dumbledore needs to be shot. He has done some good work else where but this is just crap. He doesn't get Dumbledores personality down at all. Harry is by far the worst actor of the lot of them. This guy isn't even an actor he is a guy who fits the physical discription of a character. The others are better but not great but Radcliff just sucks.

    The fight... I wasn't expecting much and I wasn't disapointed. What the fuck was up with that weird teleporting thing they did? Thats not apparition and it's just fucking stupid. Also it showed the DE's as dark mist and the Order as white... are you fucking kidding me?

    The Dumbledore/Voldemort battle was craptacular. I wasn't expecting them to do it just as it was written (which wasn' that great) but that was shit. The statues were a clever thing to do and they left that out and then put in that stupid prior incanitum thing.

    The Patronus looked bad in my opinion. Not crap but not as it should.

    Over all a movie which I can honestly say meet all my expectations of a crap movie.
     
  14. MrMucus

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    *coughs* Wouldn't call that kiss hardcore.

    Ginny was in the movie for about 2 minutes in total. And knocked over a few shelves. Meh I wouldn't call her powerful as hell.

    The characters of Luna and Umbridge acted well in my opinion which is just grand as the trio tends to suck royally. Yeah the spell effects at the end with the fight between Voldemort and Dumbledore might be considered overly flashy by the some however big explosions and shit usually entertains the crowd more then little beams of light. *shrugs* Which was the only reason why I watched Dragon Ball Z back in the day. Lots of big explosions :p

    Overall I thought it was a decent watch. Granted there are lots of places where you can criticize on what they left out (Movie was 2hours and 20 minutes ) but it'd turn into a mini series if they showed every detail. Interesting to see how everything turns out on film at anyrate. ( Ministry of Magic building etc )

    The character of Luna has a nice voice.
     
  15. Skeletaure

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    I personally think HP would have suited the T.V. format better than film. So long as it had a big budget.

    But I guess film makes more money.
     
  16. slasheh

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    Well, after watching all films, i must say with this it is now official that you can't say the films stick to canon.
    If you watch the film itself, and don't try to canon pick (i had 2 guys with me who had not read any book after book 3, since then my little bro learned to read so they could stop reading it to him :p) you will most likely love the movie.
    The fightscene in the DoM is very cool and nicely done IF you don't expect the fight scene from the book.
    The people apparate (i assume the way they are moving is apparting) around all the time, and during apparation they "snatch" people (which seems impossible from the books). They shoot spells at a speed similar to a machine gun, etc. etc. etc.

    So Bottom line: I liked the movie, same as i like some fanfictions which don't give a whit about canon and change things to suit themselves, but it honestly isn't that close to what JKR wrote.

    Ps: Flying brooms next to ships on the themse (sp?) GOTTA be against the statue of secrecy.
     
  17. Snarf

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    I whole-heartedly agree. It wasn't the voice I imagined for her but damn was it sexy.

    @TEaoS- you didn't see the looks of awe on everyone's faces when she used the reducto to destroy the target thing? They made her into the bloody queen of the DA and they were doing it to get everyone ready for the sixth movie and the H/G relationship. Also, the looks Ginny was passing at Cho were decidedly amusing. Glaring hatred!Ginny. The best yet!

    I didn't add it in before because I was tired, but the Cho/Harry kiss was hilarious. He looked like a nephew who's aunt has really big 'T's and he doesn't want to touch them so he sticks his butt out as she gives him a peck. Well, except for that the peck was opened mouth. Amusing
     
  18. Spanks

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    You need to calm the fuck down my Erotic friend. Sucking up? I think not, if you read my intro and the Ginny Weasley thread I give my reasons for not liking her character unlike a lot of people who join and say they hate her just to fit in. So please, don't judge if you don't know me.

    Anyway, yes I think they souped her up in the movie. My friends girlfriend, who has never read the books whispered to me "That bitch is powerful," the people behind me whistled and the people in front of me said "Wow." So yes, a lot of people are under the impression that she is very powerful, especially people who haven't read the books.

    Edit: Oh, and I was just joking with the kiss being hardcore and leading to a porn scene, just some bad humor on my part. Though it did seem kinda hardcore for what is supposed to be a childrens movie did it not?
     
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  19. Skeletaure

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    She is depicted as powerful in the books, albeit in a more subtle, "oh no its the sixth book and Harry's girlfriend needs to be more powerful" way.

    Remember how Slughorn invited her to the Slug Club because he saw her cast a powerful curse? Even though it is the lame Bat-Bogey one...
     
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    I found the movie enjoyable, and the one that sticks closest to canon but I can't say it was amazing. I understand though that they were working with a book that has about 300 pages of crap where nothing happens. What pissed me off was the fight between Dumbledore and Voldemort. WTF was that priori incantatem thing. Couldn't they afford a different scene? The fire basilisk was w/e but in the book the elemental fighting does sort of occur. Voldemort does shoot fire and, Dumbledore does trap Voldemort in a ball of water (i think he apparates out of it in the book). I was really hoping they would put the statues coming to life, and was severely disappointed when they didn't.
    Sirius' death was lame but I can understand why they used Avada Kedavra to push him into the veil. Most likely people who don't read the books would have no clue why he died going through it, whereas this way they can be like 'oh ok the spell killed him'. Stupid but w/e. The kiss with Cho was a little odd seeing as the guy had never kissed anything but his pillow, and was able to make out without awkwardness. On a side note what was up with the picture of Cedric on the mirror? That was a little weird IMO.
    The fight between Death Eaters and Order was lame, it looked like power rangers teleporting around, but i guess we can thank the fourth movie for that crappy plot device.

    Acting:
    Acting by Dumbledore and Harry sucked once again. While Dumbledore was better this time because he is supposed to be emotionless, the actor shows no emotion when he should. The scenes where he needs to show compassion only show the same face as all the other scenes. "I care for you Harry" looked like he was ready to punch the kid in the face. I will say this though, i enjoyed that they kept lines directly from the book. The whole arresting scene i was pretty well done.

    Harry bunged as usual but what can I say thats nothing new.
    Hermione was nothing great.
    Ron I thought was spot on.
    Luna was perfect which is funny seeing as she's not even a professional actress. I heard they just had an open cast and she got it because she looked like the girl.
    Bellatrix was perfect
    Umbridge, i thought they got spot on.
    Poor Flitwick the movie has transformed him from a Charms teacher to a Music teacher, with no importance at all in the movie.
     
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