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Complete White Knight, Grey Queen by Jeconais - PG13 - HP/PP

Discussion in 'Romance' started by nightangel960, May 18, 2005.

  1. Dr. Strange Lulz

    Dr. Strange Lulz Denarii Host DLP Supporter

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    Why in god's name did you resurrect this to post a comment like that.

    Everybody said the same thing, "Great fic, shat ending" blah blah blah.

    You didn't add anything new.

    This would be one of the cases where it was something totally worthless.

    Drown yourself.
     
  2. nonjon

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    Says the man (with less than fifty posts to his account) nine days after the fact.

    (Do people not realize that making a worthless post to point out a worthless post is every bit as worthless?)

    Getting back on topic, I started to re-read this fic a couple weeks ago and I found my interest had dwindled significantly. I still am a Jeconais fanboy, but his characters and themes get pretty repetitive. I don't hate the ending of this fic the way most here do, but I agree the ending was the weakest part of the fic.
     
  3. Snarf

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    I find that the cookie-cutter relationships in most of his stories are a bit gag worthy now that I've seen the other side. It is like he pulls two characters, makes them perfect matches, and then adds in a sub-plot behind it to keep the story going as he plays through the almost completely perfect romnce.

    Also, the way he pulls out an eviler character and just uses the 'I was under a spell or I've been tricking everybody' to get it to the place where he wants to start the romance. Most of his work, while skilled in a sense, seems not thought out and overly...I don't want to used the word rushed, but that's what it is.

    Either way, they always have some misconception where one of them sees their significant other getting randomly kissed or they hear them talking and of course they believe the other is cheating. They run away, balling thier eyes out, until they get back together in some sickeningly random romantic moment that fits in with the rest of the story. I just hate cookie-cutter relationships. Go Harry/Bellatrix.
     
  4. Theophany

    Theophany First Year

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    I've been reading Jeconais for a while now (and I just realized the other day, I became a member of FFA when it was like 2-4 authors there), and I'd have to whole-heatedly agree. While I like Hope quite a bit (though again, the Epilogue he posted today is pretty crap), he falls into a pretty set storyline with pretty predictable characters.

    He's a great writer, don't get me wrong. He's better than 99.9% of the other shit you find on the internet, but he gets stuck--almost like Kinsfire--in one set mode of writing and he can't get out of it. Hope broke that mold in that the story wasn't focused on Harry just being super!Harry, but it was focused on a realistic (for HP fanfiction) relationship.

    WKGK is one of my favorite Jec fics, but to be completely honest, he dropped the ball pretty much as soon as they got back to Hogwarts.

    On a related note, I really enjoyed Best Man (http://jeconais.fanficauthors.net/Best_Man/Best_Man.php), which he posted today.
     
  5. Eaglette

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    I quit as soon as Pansy went into Harry's room and found him whimpering Sirius's name.
     
  6. Admonkeystrator

    Admonkeystrator Seventh Year

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    I was wrapt for alot of it, because of the sheer magnitude of potential this fic had. HAD.
    Ginny should have sat on a reducto while swallowing a rictumsempra, to get the "family" really peeved off, so that the so-called 'grey' aspect of the story, could have come through, instead of the over-done trouser-wettings as a result of the direct confrontations with either HP or PP.

    Ending didn't suck imo, it just failed to live up to it's potential.

    On the plus side, it's piqued my interest in the HPPP ship.
    It's still added to favourites though. It's an interesting read.
     
  7. Cxjenious

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    I rather liked the ending; it created nice visuals of Ginny and Pansy hawtsecks.
     
  8. LT2000

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    Ginny + 'hawtsecks'...DOES NOT COMPUTE.
     
  9. Warlocke

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    Which just goes to show that very few people can/want to free their minds from the image that the JKR's laziness, the movies, and bad fanfic have built for them.

    In canon, the only real beef there is to be had with Ginny is that her relationship with Harry wasn't set up properly. It wasn't. It took a character that hardly had any page time at all and, from the perspective of many readers, had her supplant Hermione's rightfully earned place alongside Harry. If Ginny hadn't come out of nowhere, there wouldn't have been near as much resentment.

    Some might be able to extrapolate some weak argument about how much she dates, compared to the other characters we've heard about, but it just isn't there.

    Hermione kissed Viktor Krum when she had barely spoken two words to him (and he could barely speak at all) and knew she'd probably never see him again, then she threw herself in the path of McClaggen just to make Ron jealous. I don't see too many people calling her a slut, despite throwing away her first kiss on a retarded quidditch player (her apparent fetish) and allowing a second one to try and paw at her, just to try and bag a third one (and people say she doesn't like the sport). At least Ginny seemed to be making honest attempts at having some kind of relationship (ones not based on a secret, self-loathing desire to be alternately used, ignored, and degraded by neanderthallic men who were her distant intellectual inferiors, unlike a certain bookworm).

    As to Ginny's looks, canon seems to dictate that she is fairly attractive, which canon can't really be used to dispute. The movies have zero bearing on this unless, I suppose, you're the easily suggestible/impressionable type. In essence, Ginny is as 'hawt' as the readers allow themselves to believe she is.

    As long as the author doesn't make the mistakes JKR (along with the legions of shitty fanfic writers) made with Ginny, there's no reason for the reader to have anything against her. After all, we're all reading stories about a guy who, in canon, acted like an empty-headed moron, accidentally beat the dark lord, then named one of his kids after two of his worst abusers. Compared to that, people should love Ginny.

    In WKGQ, we have a Ginny who is, once again according to canon, attractive, but she's also vulnerable and somewhat unsure of herself. This should be a major draw to those whose chief complaint against her character in the books is her rapid ascent from non-entity to Mary-Sue. At the same time, people can't complain that yet another female character is being made weak while the male hero is strong, because we also have a very formidable Pansy Parkinson.

    Basically, the only reason to dislike Ginny's inclusion here is if you really wanted to see Harry/Pansy without any interference or if you are staunchly against polyamory or harem fics (though this hardly qualifies as one of the latter).

    In a nutshell, there's really no reason not to think Ginny is 'hot' in this, unless confused, vulnerable girls are a major turn-off for you.

    I had no problem with the way this fic ended, other than it was somewhat abrupt (and, of course, I wanted 'MOAR').
     
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  10. Militis

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    QFT. Though I don't mind polyamory in my fanfics, I was hoping for a simple Harry/Pansy; not Harry/Pansy/Daphne/Ginny/Hermione. That was the only bad point in this fic I think.

    QFT*2

    The end left us hanging quite a bit. What happened to Remus' ascension to Minister? The house elves bailing on their willing-subservience, only to start charging money to work for their old masters? What about the muggle SBS that were in the final battle? It was kinda like they were used and abused. Did any of them die? (I know Dumbles rambled off losses for the magical side, but were there no muggle losses at all? Or did he just feel they were beneath his notice?)

    Still, except for the disappointment of this going from singular Harry/Pansy to at least Harry/Pansy/Ginny, this was a well written fic and an excellent read. 4.9/5 for me.
     
  11. LT2000

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    Not quite, I pretty well disliked Ginny right from the start of her inclusion in canon, and I don't really like the Weasleys as a whole either. The elbow in the butter dish started it, and downhill from there. However, I don't really care to debate the issue and/or hijack this story thread, so I'll just leave it at this (not to mention that Raven and Middy get mad when I go on my Ginny rants).
     
  12. Warlocke

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    Well, that's a bit more informative.

    No debate necessary, some people just get rubbed the wrong way by certain characters. I was talking more on a mass appeal/dislike scale, rather than personal pet peeves. I know I certainly have my own.
     
  13. Cxjenious

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    Thank you Mr. Warlocke, for that delightfully delectable discourse.

    In my mind Ginny's hot, because I want her to be.
     
  14. JaredDrake

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    Its hard to write my opinion on anything made by Jeconais. I love em and hate em at the same time. His stories are vastly entertaining but it comes to a point where I feel like shouting "OMG OMG ENOUGH ENOUGH!" either it becomes too sugary sweet or so unrealistic that no one in their right mind should even consider reading it.

    That's what I think anyway...
     
  15. ZeroTheDestroyer

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    Harry/Pansy/Daphne/Ginny/Hermione sounds if you change Ginny's name to Susan.
     
  16. Andro

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    And if you removed the Hermione part entirely.
     
  17. LT2000

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    Changing Hermione to Fleur would also be acceptable. >_>
     
  18. ZeroTheDestroyer

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    But then they would have to change the story altogether sadly.

    Just say Susan was the last Weasley or something, I can live with that.

    Or just hang Ginny, thats great too.

    I just ran into a fic with Ginny as the love interest and got pissed ever had one of those?
     
  19. The Fine Balance

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    ...the first chapter is mired with cliches. I really hope the story gets better cause right now it's barely ranking a 2/5.

    And Pansy is a Mary-Sue already.
     
  20. Mage

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    Keep reading, while it may be a bit cliched by now it's still a great story.
     
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