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Canon changes after Deathly Hallows

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by ip82, Jul 22, 2007.

  1. KenderCleric

    KenderCleric Lord of Plot Bunnies

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    That wouldn't fit with earlier canon mentions of the Ministry monitoring underage wizards. It's an interesting theory, but there's no basis in canon to support that.
     
  2. Anlun

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    Also important you can affect the environment of portraits. ie. Hermione blindfolds the portrait of Phineas.
     
  3. Hahukum Konn

    Hahukum Konn Fourth Year

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    Didn't Dobby gag the painting of Walburga Black once?
     
  4. KenderCleric

    KenderCleric Lord of Plot Bunnies

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    I remember what you're talking about, but I'm fairly certain that's fanon. I'll have to double check, but I'm about 98% sure Dobby never set foot in Grimmauld Place in canon.
     
  5. Indelible Raven

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    She also added a horcrux.

    HBP p. 502-503 (US):

    "...you heard him, Harry: 'Wouldn't it be better, make you stronger, to have your soul in more pieces...isn't seven the most powerfully magical number...' "

    ...

    "I am glad you see the magnitude of this problem," said Dumbledore calmly. "But firstly, no, Harry, not seven Horcruxes: six. ..."


    1. Diary
    2. Ring
    3. Cup
    4. Locket
    5. Diadem
    6. Snake
    7. Harry

    Apparently Voldemort was really working with only 1/128th of his soul.

    Dumbledore, before he died, had enough knowledge to tell Snape a piece of Voldemort's soul was attached to Harry. Unless there's something else that can classify one's soul inside something else, he appears to be a Horcrux.

    Deathly Hallows (US) p.686:

     
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  6. The Game

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    Well, she didn't necessarily add one. Dumbledore theorized that Voldemort had created six Horcruxes. He had no way of knowing that part of his soul attached itself to Harry upon "death" in Godric's Hollow. Harry was the Horcrux that was unintended, and extra. Just a little twist she threw in there, not a plot hole though.
     
  7. Athenia

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    The potential for Taboo abuse is amazing. Though Voldemort obviously didn't seem to use it. If you can make it so a word has the ability to take down all wards, shouldn't you be able to make it so it kills you or stuns you or something else? And why just that word. He could have done a tracing spell for the word Horcrux. Also, wouldn't that allow you to use it against him as well...sure it traces you also apparently when the protections come down, but when Harry, Ron and Hermione were captured, shouldn't they have been able to say "Voldemort" and bring down Malfoy's protections to escape?
     
  8. Indelible Raven

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    Please delete this
     
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  9. KenderCleric

    KenderCleric Lord of Plot Bunnies

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    On the issue of the 7th Horcrux I think it's safe to say that Dumbledore was flat out BSing Harry when he said there were six. It's made clear in book 7 that he was purposefully hiding that bit of information from Harry until just the right moment. I don't see this as a plot hole or anything like that; it's just one of the more blatant moments of manipulation by Dumbledore.
     
  10. Warlocke

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    I'm fairly certain I saw that business of needing to answer a riddle or question to enter the Ravenclaw dorm in a fanfic too.

    As to whether or not Snape was flying like Voldemort: It said that Harry saw a huge, batlike shape flying through the darkness. I'm not sure if that means he'd transfigured himself to have batlike wings or if he was doing Voldie's superman routine and merely looked like a bat because he ALWAYS looks like a bat with that cloak of his. I suppose the latter is the simplest explanation.

    Mechanics:

    It isn't THAT hard to destroy a horcrux. All you have to do is cause damage that magic can't repair. Dumbledore was just being rash and stupid when he lost his arm.

    Splinching is deadly, not the harmless joke the earlier books implied (I think I'll keep my own mechanics for splinching though; more potential for fun).

    You can't regenerate even so much as an ear using magic (if it was removed using dark enough magic, apparently).
    I can't help but wonder if they could take the ear off of Fred's corpse and put it on George.

    Of course the Fidelius, The Trace, wand mechanics, The Taboo were mentioned.

    We have some new spells:
    Fiendfyre (cursed fire) = creates very potent and, apparently, semi-sentient fires...
    Duro = turns things (or at least cloth) to stone.
    Gemino Curse = objects cursed with this will multiply (the copies are worthless) if you touch them.
    Flagrante Curse = objects cursed with this will burn you if you touch them.
    Defodio = I believe this was referred to as a gouging spell.
    Piertotum Locomotor = activates the suits of armor in Hogwarts.
    Confrigo = makes things go boom. Latin for 'burn up'.
    Stinging Jinx = causes you to swell up like you're having an allergic reaction (not to be confused with a Stinging Hex, which is apparently something different).

    There were more, I'm sure, but I'm not combing the book for them.

    Things we know now that we didn't before:


    The name of the muggle studies teacher; Charity Burbage.

    What Luna's home is like and precisely where it's located.

    Luna's father's name; Xenophilius (xenophilia is a love of strange, foreign, and unknown people, creatures and/or things. Hence, the fascination the Lovegoods have with the Snorkack).

    We know what the hell those earrings of Luna's were made of; Dirigible Plums.

    It would also appear that the reason for Luna's odd behavior is mostly because she was twisted by her father's beliefs more than anything else. The poor girl is so perceptive, she'd really be brilliant if the old fart wasn't filling her head with bullshit. His wife is probably rolling in her grave.

    We finally met the Tonks family and, yes, as I and many others suspected, Andromeda looks so much like Bellatrix that Harry nearly attacked her.

    A lot of people have debated whether death eaters would actually stoop to raping their victims. Well, from what Fenrir said about Hermione when she was captured by his gang, it's pretty obvious that he would, if not the inner circle death eaters. Either that or he's a cannibal... which is still pretty likely, considering it's Fenrir we're talking about here.

    Petunia actually wanted to be a witch herself and badly enough that she wrote to Dumbledore! (I've used the 'Petunia is jealous of magic' angle a few times, myself, as a reason for why she resented Lily and abuses Harry.)

    We get a new bit of wizarding profanity, courtesy of Ron (date rapist) Weasely; Merlin's saggy left nut!
    (He uses this phrase because in chapter five of Twelve Fail-Safe Ways to Charm Witches it says that Merlin's saggy left nut is the prime ingredient in a love potion that is a sovereign remedy for frigidity and the word 'No.' ... Okay, I may have lied about that last bit.)

    The Grey Lady was Helena Ravenclaw, and a fucking thief. Jesus! Harry and McGonagall freely use the unforgivables now, Hermione is a hypocrite, Ron is... well, Ron is awful in nearly every way imaginable, Luna is warped by her father's nonsense, Remus tried to abandon his pregnant wife, Dumbeldore is a complete and total ass, Xenophilius Lovegood is a turncoat, the Bloody Baron murdered Helena, Aberforth is still strongly suspected of being a goat fucker... Is there anyone left in the Wizarding World, other than Neville, who isn't a royal asshole? :)
     
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  11. KenderCleric

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    I'm fairly certain this was actually talking about Greyback's lust for human flesh in the cannibal sense. In book 6 it talks about how he is so consumed by the Werewolf that many of its traits now crossover into his human form. The primary of those traits in his thirst to kill and consume human flesh. He also has a strong leaning toward younger humans such as small children.
     
  12. Anlun

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    Warding is much simpler then originally thought (though that can be amended) It seems to be just "protego maximus" or some crap like that.
     
  13. Lorelei of the Sea

    Lorelei of the Sea Unspeakable

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    Also, Protego is a physical shield- Harry uses it to separate Ron and Hermione when Ron first returns. We can now assume it stops bullets.
     
  14. Mordac

    Mordac Minister of Magic DLP Supporter

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    Maybe. It could possibly be broken by enough strenght applied, since it is physical but... let's not turn this into that discussion again.
     
  15. Lorelei of the Sea

    Lorelei of the Sea Unspeakable

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    We know protego is only a basic shield, so something like protego maximums (Hermione used it) would block something protego wouldn't. But I agree. That argument was killed for a reason, and anything brought up is purely fanon at this point.
     
  16. Anlun

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    You can accio living things
    Ex:
    Accio Hagrid
    Accio Salmon
     
  17. Nox

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    -Some Wizarding Communities named.
    -Rita Skeeter. Journalist, Author, Ugly Bitch!
    -Harry knows most if not all the spells Hermione uses, he just likes watching her work that wand.
    -Ginny's room described.
    -Wizarding weddings somewhat described.
    -Various peoples' patroni (wtf doe).
    -Patroni can deliver messages.
    -Molly Weasely can duel (Where's the Youth Potion/Time-Travel/Milf Fic )
    -Cho wants Harry. Bad.
    -New Goblin Magix!
     
  18. KenderCleric

    KenderCleric Lord of Plot Bunnies

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    This we knew from book 6. I know most of us have blocked out the horrible memory of HBP, but it was there. ;)
     
  19. Nox

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    Fiiiiiine.

    -A person can cast multiple patroni at once!
     
  20. Lorelei of the Sea

    Lorelei of the Sea Unspeakable

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    .... Where was this? I admit that I read it in one night, but I don't remember anyone casting more then one at a time.

    Edit Never mind, I found it. Good point. But I doubt it can be done in battle situations- it's hard enough producing just one.
     
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