Greetings, I've been thinking about writing a HP/SG fanfic and I'd like to hear some comments/ideas about what I've got so far.


The main reason for this crossover is that Harry needs something "extra" to defeat Voldermort, there is no chance in hell he could beat one of the most powerful wizards in history without some help. So I thought about giving harry "the power the dark lord knows not", it would be some "alien" device that Voldermort would have no knowledge about, rather then some special magic, since I believe Voldermort knows about most magic and would know how to defend himself even if he would encounter a new spell or two. I don't want Harry to be mentored by an Alteran (or any other aliens), or get knowledge implanted in his head. I think it's better if he find some technology which he can use in the war against Voldermort. Too much knowledge too fast isn't a good thing. I don't want another Überpowerfulgod!Harry.

I was planning on writing this story in the HP universe and borrow stuff from stargate, although that could change if Harry wins the war against Voldermort. Then I could make Harry boarding the horizon, and make the story more stargate related.


First some general info:

The "Ancients".
A highly evolved humanoid race which evolved in a distant galaxy and with a progress to a scientific level far beyond that of present-day on earth.
An ideological split appeared between two factions of the Alterans: One progresses towards an increased belief in religion, the other towards belief in science. The Alterans which believe in science came to the Milky Way and settle on Earth. They seed a network of Stargates throughout the galaxy and colonized many planets, the oldest of which, the Antarctic Stargate, was planted on Earth 50 million years ago. The other faction, the Ori, who progressed towards religion become megalomaniacal and determined to increase their own power, attempting to convert all sentient beings to Origin. Both parties are hostile towards each other both in this plane of existence as well as a higher one (as Ascended)

Around 5-10 million years ago the Alterans in the Milky Way suffer from a devastating plague, possibly of Ori origin. Many tried to Ascend to escape. Others used Atlantis, the Alterans capital city within the Milky Way, which departs for the Pegasus Galaxy via its star drive.
After the city leaves, the Alterans activated the Dakara Super weapon to try and reseed life in the galaxy after the plague.


The Alterans settle within the Pegasus galaxy, colonizing several worlds and instigating the evolution of humanity on others. Their people come to be known as the Lanteans.
The Lanteans encounter the Iratus bug in the Pegasus Galaxy and, by feeding on humans, the bug acquires human DNA, evolving into a humanoid species, the Wraith.
After the Wraith become sufficiently numerous, feeding on all humans they can find, the Lanteans and the Wraith go to war. The Lanteans, with their vastly superior technology, win almost every battle, but due to the superior numbers of the Wraith, they cannot win the war.
In their desperate search for better weapons against the Wraith, the Lanteans create an experiment with nanites called Asuran to infiltrate and kill living beings. This has unintended consequences, however, when the nanites evolve, eventually into a humanoids, looking as their creators. Seeing that their experiment has gotten out of hand, they attempt to destroy all traces of it, but fail.

The war between the Wraith and the Lanteans in the Pegasus galaxy escalates to the point where Atlantis is constantly under siege. The Lantean people decide to leave Atlantis for Earth by going through the Stargate. Atlantis, protected by a powerful force-shield, is submerged to the bottom of the ocean. The Lanteans leave Atlantis to find that the native peoples on Earth were quite primitive, preventing them from ever rebuilding their great civilization, so the Lanteans lived out the rest of their lives with the native peoples.

The Ancients on Earth go on to influence the language and mythology of Ancient Rome, the myths of Greece, and their research on ascension forms the basis of Buddhism. Many Ancients continue to use the Stargate network, and form an Alliance of Four Great Races, with the Nox, the Asgard and the Furlings, who had become very advanced. This Alliance lasts for centuries.

Known Alterian outposts in the Milky Way:
TAONAS OUTPOST -Means "lost in fire", and was abandoned due to the volcanic activity.
ATLANTUS OUTPOST -Antarctic outpost.

This about sums up the big events of the "Ancients".


Goa'Uld
The Goa'uld evolved on the planet designated P3X-888 (by SGC). At some point in their evolution the Goa'uld learned how to infest and possess the Unas, another species native to that world, the Goa'uld wraps itself around the spinal cord and attaches itself to the brain stem, effectively taking over the body. The host survives but has no control unless the Goa'uld gives him/her control. At some time the they learned to operate the Stargate on their planet and left.
Goa'uld are immune to biowarfare (poisons, diseases, viruses), and are born with full genetic memory of their direct line of ancestry. At some point in their evolution, the Goa'uld evolved to include naquadah in their bodies (it didn't exist in the fossils discovered on P3X-888).

To reproduce the rare Goa'uld queen first requires a genetic sample (often procured sexually, for those queens that have taken host bodies) from the symbiotes' intended host species, to ensure compatability. The queen can spawn regardless of whether or not it has taken a host.
Voluntarily (rather than automatically) they pass on genetic knowledge to their offspring by changing their brainwave patterns.

The larvae are spawned in liquid and spend their very early lives in tanks of liquid, but are implanted in Jaffa pouches, to mature, as soon as they're old enough. Implanted larvae mature completely in 8-9 years. Once fully matured out of its larval stage, a symbiote can't stay in a Jaffa pouch, it would cause the Jaffa great pain and would eventually kill it. It also seems to instinctively want to leave in search of a host. Prior to the use of Jaffa as incubators, a Goa'uld's odds of successfully blending with a host were just one in two, a failed blending results in death to both Goa'uld and host.

Some notes:
Symbiotes have no gender, but take on the gender of the host, generally picking the same gender repeatedly.
They can cure many diseases in humans, including cancer, arthritis and bad eyesight, even extremely bad eyesight.
When a Goa'uld symbiote dies, it decays and is absorbed by the host, leaving behind a unique protein marker. It also leaves behind traces of naquadah. A dying symbiote releases a toxin that kills the host in most cases.
Symbiotes are very resistant to most sedatives


Stargate
There are 39 symbols on a stargate.
It is made of Naquada
There are 9 chevrons, but in most gate addresses only 7 are used.



Items Harry can find:
QUANTUM MIRROR control.
PERSONAL SHIELD EMITTER.
INVISIBILITY DEVICE.
LONG-RANGE COMMUNICATION DEVICE.
STARGATE ACTIVATION DEVICE.
PUDDLE JUMPER CLOAK REMOTE.
HAND WEAPON.
ATONIEK ARMBAND.
SANGRAAL.
CONTAINMENT VESSEL.

There is lots of information left out, but I think I covered the basic parts so I could make up a theory of where magic came from. If there is interest I can add more information.

Some ideas:
-Herpo the Foul was a Harcesis, which could explain why most Parselmouths are dark and have a thirst for power. It's in their genes from the Goa'Uld. The knowledge gotten would be less and less to the descendents in the bloodline.

-Magic is a legacy from the far more advanced Alterian psychology, the pureblood fanatics are right and there is a slight higher chance that two pureblood give birth to a magic child, but it's not a very big difference due to the fact that the Alterans mixed them self with the native people of earth. So many carries the genes required, but only parents who both are homozygous dominant could give birth to a magic child. (I'm not very good at genetics, so if someone could help out, I'd appreciate it.)

-The basic of magic which is in Latin points towards the Alterans, because their language is the source of Latin, it learnable with moderate difficulty by humans (although many different dialects still exist which make reading and translation difficult if the person is not familiar with them).




Feel free to post ideas, comments, plotbunnies and such!


//Gizmore

 

What is new in your challenge? There is no plot. You only got idea about Harry getting advanced technology, and frankly - it isn't enough.

Protego spell, invisibility cloak, wand - Harry has it all. He doesn't need some funky alien high-tech to make it happen.
Well, at least you didn't gave him an battleship. So, give us a plot. It usually works.

 

I have yet to come up with a good plot, and this is not a challenge, I just want some tips on plotbunnies, clichés to stay away from. And I want to know if people think it would be a good mix, or if I'm just an idiot.

And about those items;
PERSONAL SHIELD EMITTER. This would be stronger and resist everything, even if harry got pushed out of a window he would be unharmed, the only downside with it is that you eat can't or do your personal reliefs.
INVISIBILITY DEVICE. This would be helpful if lets say, while at Hogwarts, Ron spies for Dumbledore, and reports when he sneaks out with his invisibility cloak, Harry could still go outside unnoticed without his cloak.
HAND WEAPON. This could be something that would be able to take out wizards even if they have shields up

 

Congratulations, you managed to post over 1300 words with nary a scrap of anything remotely original. You must feel so proud.

The only remotely original piece is your ideas section, and even that is shite. A Harcesis would have been able to do a hell of a lot more than whip up a new and exciting breed of snake if the Goa'uld weren't around. You turned magic into a bastardised ATA gene. And as for magic being in Latin being a tie-in for the Alterans... how about the case of Merlin/Myrddin featuring huge in both? Wasn't that enough for you?

Next time you want to post about story ideas, try to do more than regurgitate a half-dozen Wikipedia articles with a few crap ideas thrown in as an afterthought.

 

Just get some crystal, use runes to write on it runic representatons of Impervius spell, feather-light charm and some spell to protect against energy. And yo got it.

Because all of Harry's friends are backstabing traitors who report his every move to Dumbledore And Ron is master spy. This is cliché.

Read the old "Who would win: Muggle with gun or Wizard with a wand" topic (or something like that). You will get your anserws there.

 

Yes and I think It's an opportunity that should be used, just because there is no more info on Herpo doesn't mean you can't write about him, right? Thats what fanfiction is about, I'd probably develop him to some sort of master sorcerer.

Yes I made Magic genetic, is that bad? How so?
The more things connecting the both fandoms is better, right?
If not there would be lots of gaps.

I posted the info so that people who aren't up to date with all the facts could still post comments and ideas.

Sure that could work, but then other wizards would be able to dispels his spellwork, right? Or maybe by having the personal shield he could get away once while captured, before his captures know about the device. or he could use it at places where he would need to lay low and not use magic?

It was just one way it could be done, there would always be a useful way to use the devise, don't you think? Imagen this scenario; Harry is out sneaking around in the castle, some teacher hear him, or otherwise become suspicious, they try to dispel any invisibility charms, and then they try to summon a invisibility cloak, nothing happens, the teacher believes he/she just imagined the whole thing and goes back to what they were doing before.

Since it would be an incredible peace of technology from people who were far more advanced in magic (some of the magic anyways), I think it would work.
But I'll search for the thread you mentioned.
Tanks for the feedback

I found the thread if anyone else wants to read it. Wizard vs. Muggle

I read most of the posts in the thread, and the basic argument for why wizards would win against a muggle was because their shield which could stop physical objects. The handweapon I had in mind was by Alteran design and is described like this (from gateworld);
"The weapon is capable of releasing an energy discharge that will render a human male unconscious. The device likely possesses a more powerful kill setting as well."

Since it's energy based it might be able to work, and since the the enemy wouldn't know what type of weapon it is they wouldn't know what shield to use, even if it could be stopped by a shield.

I'm not sure, I'd like to hear some more comments about it please.

Don't double post -MS

 

First of all - double posting is bad.

So, write about it! Give us a freaking plot! As Tehan said - you only gave us an bunch of Wikipedia articles an one idea - which isn't enough. Go to the "challenge" subforum and look how good challenges look like.

Some people like that idea and some doesn't. It makes magic less... magical. And besides, you would have to explain why the parent of muggleborns aren't magical - if they can give birth to magical child why they are not magical?

Read book VII, page 447 of the British version.

Spoiler

'Accio Cloak!' roared one of the Death Eaters.
Harry seized its folds, but it made no attempt to escape: the Summoning Charm had not worked on it.

There you go.

 

I'm sorry about the double posting, I got carried away there for a while.

As I said before this isn't a challenge, I just wanted to get some ideas from other people who watch SG and read HP, as well as get comments on my ideas.

That would be genetics, both parents would need the special Alteran gene (which allows them to use their technology btw), which needs to be homozygous dominant. The child would be born with an alteration of the gene which allows it to use magic. If one of the parents had the gene, but a recessive version, the child would be non-magic, alltough it would be random if the gene was dominant or recessive. The % would probably be pretty low since there aren't allot of magic childes born each year.

So many carries the genes required, but only parents who both are homozygous dominant could give birth to a magic child.

Ah, thanks for pointing that out, I'm sure Harry could find a useful way to use an invisibility device anyways.

And a quick question, what time do you prefer a story starts at? Pre Hogwarts 0-10, First year at Hogwarts, sometime during the school years, or after Hogwarts?

 

Interesting. Have you read any of the other HP/Stargate crossover fics already around to make sure you don't go down the same routes?

 

Yes I've read a few (15-25), and I will try not to copy their plots, like harry getting abducted, getting tutored on another planet, (or by an alien/Alteran on earth), get a symbiot.

I haven't really thought about the main plot, but the it would probably be:
Rating: M
Genre: action/adventure/mystery
DLP Category: The Alternate's
Pairing: no idea, no slash though.

Got any ideas/suggestions please post them!

 

Homozygous dominant is a zygote that has two dominant alleles. Like AA. If A represents magic and Ancient gene, than how muggle can produce magical children? They doesn't have it. If they would have it, they wouldn't be muggles. Let's take Hermione Granger as an example. If her parents have aa and aa in their genotype, then how it is possible for their daughter to have AA or Aa? That the problem with the genetics - you have to understand it, to write about it.
If you want to stick with the "magic=ATA gene" thing, go ahead. It just creates a lot of confusion. You wanted an advice. You could always make the ATA gene and magic gene hate each other. It is impossible to have both of the genes in their dominant versions. It is very uncommon. First wizard to ever had it, was Merlin. And Harry.

 

Thanks for the advise, I'm not any good with genetics but I thought it could be nice to be able to tell how muggles could give birth to magical children.

Anyways you said that it would only be Merlin and Harry, how does that explain that all the other Alterans were able to use magic and their technology.

an explanation could be that when the Alterans came back to earth, mated with the natives there was a split, some decedents got the ATA gene (muggles), and some got the "magic" genes, Harry would be the first one in a very long time who has both. But that doesn't explain how muggles can get magic children though. Maybe I should just leave it at "it's magic" and drop it? Or can you see any way to explain it?

And please tell me what age you prefer Harry to be when a story starts.

 

I forgot to add: "in modern times". My bad.

Stick with "it's magic". It is less confusing.

You are the author. You decide. You question reminds me of the parring pools in stories written by fangirls on ff.net. It is a bad thing.

 

Allrigt, I just wanted to know the general oppinion about the agething, I allready know when the story will begin.

If anyone has any ideas/comments please post them.

 

Just some tips:

1)Harry doesn't find these items in the DoM. Bad, bad plot device.

2)Killing Curse should not be stopped by your shield. If someone green blasts him, he should die, plain and simple. Not that it would happen as he's our protagonist.

3)Never introduce outside forces into this story until the sequel.

4)Don't have Harry find Atlantis. Please, it's crazy cliched.

5)Super!FirstYear!Harry is never a good thing so try for fifth year or so.

Don't have much else to tell you, might edit later.

 

Thanks for the comments Kolskit, I'll keep those in mind.

 

I got a better idea, why don't Harry find a SHRINK RAY in his garage, and maybe a COPY CAT BOX LIKE IN CALVIN AND HOBBES and perhaps a transmogifier as well?

Its better than all this alien shit. And it has a plot too! (Think Calvin and Hobbes when there's like a million calvins running around)

Your challenge has no plot. Characters have no burning desires, so why do you really need this allien stuff? Its just silly plot device imo.

 

*cough*midi-chlorians*cough*

 

Are you fucking retarded? This is no fucking challenge. It's just a thread with some info and ideas, the whole point of the thread is to get more ideas and feedback on the ones I have. All to minimize the risk of making a halfaresd fic with a sucky plot.

Feel free to post more ideas/stuff that I should stay away from.

//Gizmore

 

With Merlin, you could keep the magic hates ATA gene, and have Merlin (who we know was an inventor) be the first Ancient to try and replicate magic effects. Then wizards/witches see him doing "magic" and other technological things (rings, invisibility etc.) and base new magic ideas off that technology, allowing Merlin to be significant in the Magical world without him having magic himself.