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Was the ending too happy? Was there not enough death?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Skeletaure, Jul 27, 2007.

  1. Anlun

    Anlun Denarii Host

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    I thought there were enough deaths but they were poorly portrayed. I felt as if she killed em just for the sake of killing them and she gave no reason or emotion behind it. There were only two deaths that had any emotion to it, Hedwig, and Dobby. I found it slightly odd that Harry mourned more for a House-elf then for the man who named him the godfather to his child.

    I didn't mind that she didn't kill that many people, what bothered me is the people she did kill weren't fleshed out enough.
     
  2. venom

    venom First Year

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    I personally think the ending was far too happy, but lets be honest, at the end of the day JK was never going to kill off the trio because the actual story is for children and they and JK would have wanted the story to end perfectly so Harry could have the perfct wife, with the perfect kids and the perfect life. Personally, I
     
  3. venom

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    I personally think the ending was far too happy, but lets be honest, at the end of the day JK was never going to kill off the trio because the actual story is for children. JK was always going to end the story perfectly so Harry could have the perfct wife (red headed slut that she may be), with the perfect kids and the perfect life. Personally, I would've had Harry die with Voldemort, a lot more Weasleys killed off and Neville killed by Bellatrix just to make the story realistic.
     
  4. Gabrinth

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    Bud, you could have just edited the old post rather than double posting. Do edit your second post into your first post and change the second post to something like 'Admin or mod, please delete this post.'

    @Taure - I think there weren't enough deaths of people Harry knew. I don't think any more major characters needed to go but a few more minor characters did. Sirius, Dumbledore, Snape, Remus, Dobby, and Hedwig as major characters were all killed compared to Moody, Scrimgeour, Tonks, Fred, Colin, Lavender, and the muggle studies professor as minor characters (Yes Dobby is major). That's freaking equal. The Major:Minor death ratio (yes I jsut made that up) should be something like 1:3 or 1:4 not 1:1. She could have added in a few more random minor characters like Prof. Sprout or Terry Boot or even 'The Giant Squid.'
     
  5. Richard

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    Well...I certainly wished Granger and Ginny died...that would'a made me happy, but oh well. Snape dying would have definitely happened, he probably went to hell for all the shit he put on school children for almost 20 years.

    Richard.
     
  6. Amerision

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    I was really disappointed that Grindelwald died so quickly. I hoped to see his character, perhaps him even mocking Voldemort a bit more and maybe even getting ahold of a wand...

    I still wish Ron died though, but I knew it wouldn't happen: That would leave Hermione free, making H/G impossible.
     
  7. The Mysterious Nobody

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    Why? Harry would still think of Hermione as Herman.
     
  8. Infin1x

    Infin1x Muggle

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    For a children's book I think that was about as much death as could be expected. My favorite deaths had to be Hedwig and Moody though. Hedwig just because it was such a shock and Moody because who would have expected him to die so early in the book.

    I am pretty annoyed with how it is hinted about the Malfoys. Epilogue has Draco free and clear when he was just as bad as anyone else just to retarded to actually accomplish anything evil but not for lack of trying. Then I have this horrible feeling that because Malfoy Sr. and the Mrs. are also going scott free just because they didn't fight the last battle.

    Better than I feared no where near as good as I had hoped.
     
  9. Lyndon Eye

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    I thought it was slightly pathetic that the most poignant deaths in the novel were Dobby's and Hedwig's. Even Goyle's death was more moving than that of characters like Fred, Moody, and Remus.

    While I respect Rowling for having the guts to kill off a sizable number of characters, I am disappointed by her careless, shoddy portrayal of most of these deaths. They served no purpose aside from increasing the body count, and certainly didn't fulfill the potential for eliciting emotions from the reader, an element that was done really well in Sorcerer's Stone concerning the death of Harry's parents. Perhaps it was the lack of imagery or description? The ending/deaths just didn't quite cut it for me.

    Deathly Hallows was an acceptable, yet slightly disappointing end to the series that I've practically grown up with.
     
  10. Lucullus

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    I think the number of deaths were enough, just they the characters who died were not the really significant ones. It's as though JKR is afraid of killing any of those who are more important/closer to Harry. I'm talking about characters like Ron, Hermione etc.

    This makes it highly unrealistic- I mean, given the number of people in the Weasley family, I find it quite unrealistic that only one died and none suffered any really debilitating injuries. I'd have preferred it if say Arthur and Ron/Ginny had died.

    I was also quite happy when I read Harry was the last Horcrux, though you can imagine my disappointment when yet another deus ex machina pops up. I'd wanted him to die, or at least a member of the Trio. Draco Malfoy should have died too.

    Moral of the story: This is a children's book and JKR is a pussy, hence she would never kill anyone those poor kiddies and/or fangirls cry would really cry over.
     
  11. Nemo

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    Well, she did kill Snape. Despite how horribly obvious it was I bet there were still fangirls choked up about it.
     
  12. Flamata

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    Lavender died? I was under the impression that she was just injured (Don't have my copy at hand). I'm sure if she died we would have heard at least some squealing from Ron. ?
     
  13. tao

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    I thought the ending was just right for a children's book. Of course in the real world Voldemort would wtfpwn everyone...

    Her next book's going to be for adults or something I heard. Maybe we'll get more bloodthirsty endings.
     
  14. CelticWarrior

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    It was an awful, predictable ending and very unoriginal, especially the Mrs Weasley: 'NOT MY DAUGHTER YOU BITCH!' line, I was cheering Bella on!

    Where was the spectacular battle, between LV and HP, at the end? All of a page, no spectacular spells, nothing! The one in 1st year was better.
     
  15. Mentally Impaired

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    she did a shitty job on Remus's death. hell even Pettigrew got more written about his death then Remus did! that's just bullshit. i hate how people moan and groan about Fred's death. she did it to show that it was a war and anyone could die in a war.
    i was hoping Ron was killed by Bellatrix, going along with the chess match theory about how the chess match in their first year predicts who will die in the war. at least something to that extent.
    i was hoping Ron, Percy, one of the professors (Sprout, Flitwick, Slughorn) and several more of Harry's classmates (Terry Boot, Seamus Finnegan, Dean Thomas, Neville, Susan Bones, Justin Finch-Fletchley) would have kicked the bucket as well. then again we do know at about 50 people died in the Final Battle, we just don't know who any of them were, besides Colin, Fred, Remus and Tonks.
    as for the whole Mrs. Weasley vs. Bellatrix thing. that was just stupid. Bellatrix Lestrange beats Kingsley in a duel. she beats Tonks in a duel. she kills Sirius in a duel. She is even strong enough to deflect a spell from Dumbledore. (All in OotP) Yet somehow, Molly fucking Weasley can finish her off? That is some bull shit! It would have been more believeable if it was Neville!
     
  16. Koalas

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    Didn't you know the spirit of Dumbledore possesed her and increased her power by a thousand, putting her just around Bella's power level.

    Overall, I think the underdone death was Voldemort. He does more like a thug then an evil overlord. Example: His curse rebounds against him and all he does is stand there and think 'Not again.'

    And on that point, last time he caught a reflected Killing Curse, he accidently created a Horcrux. Now two Horcruxes later, his soul is even more unstable yet no soul fragments attaching to the 200+ people standing around watching the duel ?
     
  17. Unexpectations

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    He didn't go to hell for that silly! He went to hell for being magical! Just like everyone else in the damn series... For a book with so much sacrilege there sure were strong Christian undertones... Anyway, back to the topic... There can never be enough death! But, this is a children's series first and foremost... So, in summation, while I don't think there was enough death, I never expected much...
     
  18. The Doctor

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    Was the ending too happy?

    Harry marries Ginny, becomes her whore, and names one of his kids after the man who abused him for six years. Rather than do something worthwhile with his life, he becomes an Auror.

    Hermione marries Ron, becomes an incubator, and millions of squeeing fangirls are wanking furiously to the woman being the mother of Won-Won's hell spawn. Meanwhile, she's a minor functionary in the DMLE, having done nothing with her life or intellect.

    Both Lupin and Tonks die, leaving another fucking orphan around. Lupin, get rid of him, but Tonks? Plain overkill.

    Malfoy manages to stay out of Azkaban, lives long enough to fuck some chick and names his brat Scorpius Hyperion (I'm not making that up.). Hedwig dies, Moody dies, Ron doesn't die.

    If anything, the ending was too sad.
     
  19. Darje

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    Ron should have died, Bellatrix should have killed Molly, killed Ginny, and Fred should have made it out in one piece. With Arthur it could go either way, he could die and leave the remaining Weasleys on their own or live and become a widow.
     
  20. Wildfeather

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    I agree i was kind of surpised at how fast Moody was taken down. True, he was the most powerful warrior (that we know of, except Avenger!Sasuk-
    I mean Molly) but considering he was facing teh PWNAGE immortal Voldemort I didn't expect him to last long. Makes sense from a tactical stand point, take out you're second strongest competition and destroy moral.

    Nice new pic doctor (real reason I wrote this post).
     
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