Sorry everyone for that crappy message.

 

Get the fuck out.

 

1. This is very old news.

2. Your post is pretty irrelevant to the thread - you haven't responded to anything anyone else has said.

3. Your post is incomprehensible - it lacks any kind of formatting, and is filled with spelling and grammatical mistakes.

4. You are simply repeating other people's views.

5. You offer no justification of your opinions.

1+2+3+4+5 = Fail.


How about you read one of my previous posts and respond to it, to see if you can redeem yourself:

 

Personally, anything not written in the books isn't canon. Things said afterwards in interviews just takes away from the books and seems like an excuse to say things you couldn't put in or come up with afterwards.

Canon = the written books, not something just said after the fact.

 

Indeed, but when information given in interviews explains what was in the books then I'd call it canon too.

For example, we learn in DH that Snape's core motivation was that he loved Lily. But this is not a new piece of information in DH - it is an explanation of all previous information we had about Snape. It's not that Snape didn't love Lily until we read DH, it's that we only discover this piece of information which is the reason for all pre-DH actions concerning Snape. Looking back over the first 6 books we can see the fact that Snape loved Lily hidden in the background.

Similarly, Dumbledore being gay is not a new piece of information that JKR has given us solely outside the books. It's is an explanation of all of Dumbledore's previous actions. It's not that Dumbledore wasn't gay until JKR told us - he was always gay, and we only just found out. Looking back over the previous books (particularly Deathly Hallows) we can see this.

So just as Snape's love for Lily was always in the books, and we just didn't realise it until DH, I'd say that Dumbledore being gay was always in the books, and we didn't realise it until JKR told us (though some did).

JKR outing Dumbledore was different to her telling us that, for example, Harry was gay. JKR telling us that Harry is gay would be completely out of the blue - there's nothing in the books to back it up, and it would in fact be in contradiction to the books. In contrast, her telling us that Dumbledore was gay is compliant with the books, and you can see where there were hints that he was gay all along.

So I'd say that Dumbledore being gay is in the books, it's just implied rather than explicitly stated.

 

This explains why no one ever mentions Dumbledore's wife or children. I'd always assumed he'd been bereaved during the Grindelwald war. Why doesn't Aberforth have lots of great-grand children helping at the Hogshead? Does homosexuality run in the family?

I agree with everyone else: this turns a eccentric man into a cliche. Before, he was marching to his own tune, strong enough to not care about appearing "normal."

 

Aberforth's interests seem to involve goats (as revealed in one of the more risqué passages of the books that doesn't involve Merlin's saggy left nut).

 

You write a wonderful argument, but I will have to disagree in saying that Dumbledore being gay is canon.

While an author's explanation for something outside the books is nice, it is not canon. It's an extremely powerful interpretation of the books and canon, but outside of the actual book, it is only an interpretation of actions.

More importantly, we're taking into account the actual author. An author who also said that Ginny was a powerful witch. That Dumbledore was 150 years old at one time and 115 at another time. That Harry's power was love. That Harry wasn't a horcrux. That Ron thinking about the house-elves showed growth as a character. I'm sure there are other things that this author has stated without conclusive back-up in the books.

I can't remember a scene or action in the books that makes me say, Oh, he was gay, this now makes sense.

Snape loving Lily was alluded to in the books. And while I say it was a crappy reason for Dumbledore to trust him, it did explain why Dumbledore did trust Snape. It was also somewhat obvious as soon as Harry learned that Snape told Voldemort the prophecy. It was also in the books. If JKR hadn't shown that scene, or shown something similar to it, but mentioned it in the same interview, I would say that Snape loving Lily wasn't canon. Just an interpretation, which isn't as strong or binding as actually being canon.

 

This is the same woman who, for years, claimed that Hermione's middle name was Jane, then changed to to Jean in the last book. There was also an early interview that put Lily in Ravenclaw, and she then changed it to Gryffindor and it's been that way ever sense. Like the movies, anything she says is only foggy canon at best.

It's like in Star Wars--anything in the Expanded Universe is barely canon and only the original source is hard and fast. Frankly, if it weren't for the fact that Umbridge is such a great love-to-hate character, I'd disavow everything after GOF. As it is, everything after OotP doesn't exist in any of my AUs.

With Aberforth, well, there are plenty of 'inappropriate' spells you could put on a goat that have nothing to do with sex. (I'm pretty sure that spells to make a goat sing, speak, tap dance... etc. would be considered fairly inappropriate as they could break the statute of secrecy.) It's just that we, as human beings, tend to go to the dirtiest meaning possible because our heads are firmly entrenched in the gutter...

 

Personally, I like to think that he was testing out new sobriety charms which could be harmful if not tested properly... But then, I'm not adverse to causing pain in the name of the Greater Good.

And it's not because our minds are entrenched in the gutter, after all, it's biological imperative to procreate... Perfectly normal to think about sex constantly, ask any teenager and he'll tell you .

Aekiel

 

LOL. Perhaps he put a charm on a goat to enable it to tell him exactly how it felt when he tested experimental potions on it.

 

Testing out polyjuice variants on goats so he could achieve his dream of creating the first real Furry... He should have got Azkaban >_>.

Aekiel

 

Nerve regeneration potions that required first to sever the poor goat's nerves with a simple charm....

 

Or castration curses to test out experimental regenerative tissue growing spells... Blame the testicle attack thread .

 

Heh heh. *motions a short sharp tug downwards*

To be honest, Aberforth is one of my favorite characters, I don't particularly know why but I just like him. Meh.

So no slagging him off, got it!!!

 

From DH, we know that he's probably still not on the best of terms with Dumbledore... and in a Manipulative!Dumbledore story, that could be a real good thing.

 

Agreed.

I can't say much about the issue, other than I always saw Dumbledore as a kindly, eccentric old man, who was completely asexual. In his prime he probably was married, but at 150 he's well past his prime. Just a kind, grandfatherly figure.

So, fuck you Rowling. Fuck you.

Hermione's middle name is Jane, Snape is a detestable piece of shit (intelligence notwithstanding), Ginny and Molly died fighting Bella, Horcruxes and the Deathly Hallows don't exist, Dumbledore lives, Dumbledore is straight, and Harry actually has balls.

 

Hell, Dumbledore is a teacher, which means that he sleeps under his desk, right?

And I hate hate HATE the whole magic-item-saves-the-world plot. It's the most clichéd crap plot in fantasy fiction!

 

I always wanted to see Harry fighting Voldemort with the Sword of Gryffindor over a boiling pit of lava. But that's just me.

At least it's better than the crap we got in DH over some bullshit retconning.

 

that'd be fun. Beheading sounds like a darn good way to kill him, to me. And I've always thought that, "Harry your power is love" was the lamest thing ever!