I had a very basic idea for a story that I'm still trying to figure out. So please excuse the plainness and unoriginality of this, it has no plot other than a very simple framework.

Harry is sent back to the age of the founders as a baby.

He is in Medieval Britain and is taken as a son by the wife of a vassel. At seven he is sent to the Lord to become a page, at fourteen he becomes a squire and at 16 he falls back into regular timeline, but it is in forth year. (I want to do the triwizard tourniment)

Anyway, a bunch of stuff is differant, Harry enters the tourniment, no one else enters him. It is mainly a tool to adjust him to the world, and to his friends.

Harry's character is knightly. Overly chiverlous, brutal, sort of odd minded. (public hangings and all that) terrible table manners, smells of BO a bit. He wants glory of battle, he wants recognition.... I have a vision of a loud fairytale knight, full of rightousness... but more realistic.. I'm trying to make him medieval to a fault. But magical medieval.

After sixth year, he, Fred George and Lee go on a quest to find the Horcruxes. I'll plan that out to be exciting and a bit humourous. After the quest, he must distroy Voldermort. I'm thinking of having him come to life, but I've not come up with a way he will yet.

He builds an army to fight Voldermort and the Death Eaters. The battle can last for a few days, maybe months or years. A proper old fashioned fight. Camps and stuff.

I got this far in my first stage planning. At the end it would be that Harry fights Voldermort and kills him. Whichever way I decide he should do so.

Now, I don't want a sequal. But I'm also curious about happy endings. If there is romance it might just be a sort of side thing. He might promise someone he will come for them after the battle or something.

But I have a problem. Harry is a Horcrux. Would it be a really bad ending if right at the end of the battle, when everyone is cheering the defeat of Voldermort, Dumbledore runs out and stabs Harry through the back, killing him and the Horcrux. Thus distroying Voldermort completly.

I'm not saying I would end the story like that, but it raises two questions, one, how do you get rid of Harry's Horcrux in an original way, and two, does a story have to have a happy ending?

 

Intriguing concept.

Firstly, what pairing for the romance?

*Prays for Harry/ Fleur*

Wizarding Knights...a.k.a, War-Magi.

Wizard's wielding sword and shield, sword enchanted with a bludgeoner/ blasting/ stunning spell and shields enchanted to reflect minor curses.

Intriguing concept.

How powerful would Harry be?

 

I haven't decided on a pairing.

I have yet to decide what characters other than Harry, Fred, George and Lee would be involved. I have a slight idea-which might change- of Harry befriending them, mainly because they would play along with his oddness. Which would make him seem less odd to the rest of the school. Sort of. Also, the "quest" would make him a knight, and them his squires. (After the tourniment I have a vision of Harry deciding proclaim himself a knight in the absense of the King. or something.)

As for girls... well... it's quite a manly story. Harry will certainly be sexist, which rules out quite a few woman. I don't want a romance, but a female interest is a must, really. I'm not sure about Harry/Fleur when I think about it. I'm rusty on my history, as in I couldn't even tell you what year WW1 or 2 was fought in. But didn't England have a few feudes with France?... I'll have to do a little research on that one... Yeah, so I'm not sure whether his character would be compatable.

It certainly won't be Harry/Ginny, so no worries there. She'd be much too young and too highly opionated, mainly the opionated. There would be a slight relationship due to his friendship with Fred and George, and I can see him helping to pick suitable suitors or something.

Harry/Luna... I could toy with. There are some humous ideas. He's a bit weird, she's a bit weird, and given his situation he'd probibly think her sane.

No, honestly until I develop his character more, and the plot more I couldn't even begin to decide on a pairing.

_______________

I'm still trying to decide on the sword/wand thing. Maybe a staff... hmm. A sheild would be there, but maybe a wand as a replacement for a sword, as they would fight with magic. It still has the same idea and noble implications. Even a wand scabard thing to be kept at the waist... it might seem a little dainty though. That requires a little thought. I couldn't imagine a wand holster on armour, plus, I'm really bored of reading about them. I could do without armour completly, but Hogwarts has it on show and I could use it as the old armour the knights of Hogwarts wore.

Basically, after some thought I decided that the founders could be lords of towns. The Lords act much like the King, being that they control their manors, "Fuedism" I think it was called. They are obliged to house the king on his travels, and provide as many men as he asks for. (I'm toying with a wizarding monachy. That way there can be mentions of a revolution in the future years.)

So, four powerful Lords and Ladies group together, uniting their manors to create a school. Which is Hogwarts. Harry, who lives in Godrics town, with his father as a vassel, becomes a page until he is 14 (so four of those years he lives at Hogwarts) and squire until he is just turned 16 and is thrown back into the presant day wizarding world. So essentially he is one of Godrics knights.

As for power.. I'm not into the whole, Super Powerful Harry.
But he would be a powerful knight. He is trained to fight, not to do party tricks. A lot of Hogwarts students would know things he doesn't, due to the time differance, but that wouldn't make him weak. He'd still be a force to recon with. A good dueler, not afraid to kill. His magic is less subtle, more brutal and again designed to kill or injure. No cruciatus curse, but no AK either. Not very medieval that curse.

I need to plan out some wizarding tourniments other than the Triwizard, that would be just Hogwarts and reflect the muggle tourniments which come a little later on the timeline in muggleland, but can be derived from the wizarding ones.

Lets say for powers sake, above average. Enough to become a knight of the king, but not enough to start wearing spandex and flying across the world with an S on his chest.

Another plot hole is digging at me now. His eyesight. I don't want to do some freaky, "HE CAN SEE" sort of thing, where it all gets magically fixed. But were glasses invented in the middleages? Would there be a magical substitute?

 

I totally disagree with you about Harry/Fleur. He's close enough to her age that she won't think of him as a "leetle boy" anymore. He's been training to fight for almost his entire life, so that removes canon!Harry's famine-victim look. Most importantly, he'd speak French. A thousand years ago in Britain, the nobility, including knights, would speak French and Latin, not Anglo-Saxon. From Harry's perspective, he has the divine right to screw anything with a vagina, and Fleur's the resident veela.

 

That is a good point.

From what I'm figuring Harry would not be anglo-saxon due to the Normans taking over. What, 1066? Hogwarts was founded in the mid tenth century... wait.. centurys confuse the hell out of me. Would that mean that Hogwarts was founded mid 900s? Because that throws my freaudism out of the timeline completly. It doesn't need to be completly historically correct does it.. what's a hundred or three years? pfft.

I'd love to have Harry speak French, but that would just about ruin the fic. Well, it would if I wrote it anyway. I can't speak French whatsoever and the last time I tried it was an odd mix between French/German/Spanish/English. Oddly enough that was when I was speaking to a spanish guy. We each spoke a little of each language and mananged to sort of get the point across. Straying off topic there.

Remind me to look into dialect.

And yeah, Harry is pretty self-confident the way I envisioned him. He's a nobel on the way to becoming a Knight, set to inherit his fathers Land and Vassels. He would also be very close in age to her... and after a look at the womans rights in society in the middleages I was wrong. Woman took up arms and everything. They didn't do competitions, but I'm guessing he would overlook that... or underestimate her.

It would put an interesting twist somewhere... I can see the whole, her wishing to fight and him not wanting her to, or agreeing. He would be taken in by her beauty... a slightly smitten Harry would be interesting. Her rolling her eyes... but liking it, in a way.

maybe I could have him defeat Voldermort and porclaim himself King... that would be interesting...still have the Horcrux problem though. Damn it.

 

OK, first its "tournament" and "opinionated." Please use spell check!

And yes, 10th Century would be mid 900s:

1st Century = 0-100 AD
2nd Century = 101-199 AD
etc.

As for feudalism and the Middle Ages. Yes, France and England fought many wars against each other over a period of several centuries. That didn't really start until the Norman Conquest in 1066. So depending on what time line you use you can ignore that. Harry will be much more surprised at a unified Britain than peace with France. The English, Scots, Welsh, and Irish fought against each other much more. The Great Britain that we know today wasn't officially created until 1707. England itself was not united as a single kingdom until the mid 900s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England is a great source of general history to use for this.

What this means is that Harry's identity will be based mainly on where he was raised (is he English, Welsh, or Scot?). Also how young is he sent back at? Is this Lily's last ditch effort to save Harry? Will he know his own name?

Hrm, deus ex machina idea: Lily constructs a ritual that relies on the "protection of ancestors." The spell is twisted by Voldemort's Horcrux ritual and the prophesy to send Harry to his most powerful ancestor, the first Potter to graduate from Hogwarts. The spell allows the ancestor to know that this is a relative/descendant of his as well as a general idea of who Harry is and when and where he came from.

As for language, French did not become the semi-official language until after the Norman Conquest. Before 1066 English and Latin were the predominant languages.

EDIT: I forgot to add, the above deus ex could be used to prevent Harry from becoming a Horcrux. Or you could just get rid of them altogether, I never really liked the whole Horcrux/Hallows crap. Too gimmicky for my taste.

 

I like this idea. Medieval!Harry (that stays in his character) is pure win.

The only problem I see is the return of Harry when he is 16.
First of all - would he be old enough to be knighted (sp?)?
Secondly - making him older gives you the opening to give Harry a lot of respect and charisma from the fact that he is a full-fledged knight and (possible) he had been in some fights.

I would suggest wisking Harry back to modern times around June 16, 1099 from Jerusalem. Just for fun.

 

You don't have to make Harry into a Horcrux. The soul fragment could've bonded to anything else in the house.

 

Honestly, if you're going to go to all that effort of writing what'll likely be a 50k+ word story, I don't think you'll have it in you to end it on such a comic, cheapish note.

Unless you execute it really well, the image of Dumbledore randomly stabbing Harry through with a sword is more hilarious than anything else. You might be able to pull it off if you have many scenes throughout the story from Dumbledore's POV where he actually debates the morality of it all. It has to be significant in order to have a proper impact.

As for the Happy Ending question, no: not all stories have them. But I see the direction you're going as a humorous, light-hearted quest (with the focus on Harry's social misfits). It'd be odd if you didn't have a happy ending.

Besides, I can just imagine all the flames you get.


OMG! I can't belive you just did that! You horibble person! How could you kill Harry!! Your a bad writer!!!!

 

You don't have to actually write in French, just indicate that the characters are speaking it, like Apocalypso-33 did with Attic Greek in "Death, In Glory."

 

I have been looking into the timeline after 1066, mid century when they started developing the mott and bailiey castles into more stone structures (I think that was the name) Which doesn't quite fit in with canon... but I like that era and when I was working it out I thought I was right.

Due to my stupid obsession with facts, I've not placed his actual home. However, the court of Godric, where he will go as a page, will be centered around Godrics Hollow. The background of his mother is a woman who is unable to have more children, loses her sickly son, finds a child and pretends he is her own. The idea of Lilly's last ditch effort with your ancestor theory is a good one, with the exception of no one knowing his origns. (I hate seer stories, and all knowing people. I much prefer blissful ignorance)

Harry is around fifteen months when he is attacked? So he'd speak, and can toddle. Based on evidence in DH anyway. I'll have him know his name, but I think it will be changed to the name of the woman's deceased child. Which will conveniently sound like Harry.

I would do spellcheck, but then I'd have to download it, and due to my internet ignorance by darling brother has banned me from downloading anything onto the computer. Something about downloading viruses and bugs bla bla, personally I think he is over-reacting. I have spellcheck on word where I write stories, but I had issues with the copy paste onto this site.

Harry would not yet be a knight. At 14 he would become a squire after his seven years as a page. At age 18 or 21 he would become a knight. Had he stayed in his own time. My thoughts are on him sort of proclaiming himself a knight after fourth year, due to the lack of anyone to do it for him. Those are the basic training ages of knights. As a squire he would serve his knight and go to battle with him... being a nobleborn, with the ability to become a knight, Harry would leave Hogwarts at 14 to train under a knight as his squire.

That is true.. but it is so hard to think up an ending to work towards that is an ending. Unfortunaly I have a really great visual of Harry standing in the middle of a bloody battle field giving a victory speach and Dumbledore running over, in baby blue robes for some reason, and thrusting a big sword through his chest in an AHAH gesture. Then Harry's movie-star shocked face as he gazes down at the bloody end of a sword.

I need to get away from that visual... It just keeps replaying in my mind.

The way I plan to write it is still undecided, and is ususally the breaking point in me trying to write a fic. I half want to do it first person from Harry's point of view, in Harry's voice, naturally with Harry making himself sound greater than he is. But I'm not sure if I could manage to continue that throughout the story. It also might not work. The other is third person, but in a story telling type of way, where Harry is embellished as the hero. A story with a sort of fairytale like quality to it. But once again I'm not sure if I could make it work. I'll probibly resort to a pain old third person from Harry's POV. I'm not a great writer and so I'm trying to be careful how I do this.

I actually think I would write that ending simply for those flames. The reactions would be hilarious! But no, I don't think I would have the heart or courage. Mainly the courage.

You have the story I'm thinking of down to a T though, so you are right, a non happy ending would not fit at all. I'm just going to have to continue trying to detail aspects of the plot until I come up with an ending I like. How about i have the battle end, Harry win, and just say, And all was well... That would be a good ending!

huh, you're right... even a pet of some kind... and I have the seventh piece of soul homed. Sort of. maybe. But at least it isn't in Harry's head. That would also mean that Harry would no longer be a parseltounge, which is an overused device anyway. And can stop getting crippling headaches, which just bug me.

I haven't read that fic, but do you mean to like, put it in italics or something? I could have him speak English, Latin and French, and then have all french in the italics. I think Latin was mainly used in worship, which I suppose could be to magical Gods, like Hecate. The latin would make sense there, with the use of Latin in spellwork.

___________________________________________________
Oddly enough, or maybe not, the medieval side of Harry is easy to plan. How his life goes in that age isn't too hard. It is as soon as I induct him into the presant day things get complicated. Big blooming gaping plotholes glaring at me and telling me that these are areas I have to fill with pointless drivel to get me from A to B.

But it is mainly the idea that I have a straight line from when Harry arrives in presant day to the tournimant, to the quest, and then to battle. I need twists and turns, and at least a couple of subplots. It is so frustraiting. You guys are really helpful, your ideas and the things you notice turn little lights on making me think over things I've already thought of and give them more depth. Thanks!

 

During WWII (1939-1945) the French went crawling to England for help since they pretty much got gutted by the German Army.

Hrm...what if Harry had been intended for a Delacour but vanished before the wedding so when he goes back to current time, the current "of-age" Delacour has to Marry him?

Just an idea.

*Muses*

Voldemort's Horcrux being Lily's dildo...I wonder how Harry would handle that...

"Geez, I've heard of Voldemort's soul being fucked up, but he took it literally!"

*Cackles*

Regards
Aerin

 

Canon!Harry would be traumatized for life. Knight!Harry would just destroy the thing, never realizing what it was.

 

Nice idea. I chuckled at the thought of a smelly Harry at Hogwarts. Incidentally what do you plan for his relations with the school staff?

Given the premise I would suggest that you consider some alternative form of Knighthood. I mean he is a wizard as well so he has to have had some magical training. Therefore do away with the swords, unless he has a magical sword that acts on it own during battle.

Do you plan to have him speak in Old English?

 

You seen to have missed the most important female character. Harry/Hedwig

Hermione's fiery twentieth-century feminism would be the perfect foil to Harry's Medieval male chauvinism. I mean:

Scenes like that write themselves. And don't nickpick the inaccuracy of the Medieval terms, I don't spend my hours of leisure reading up on Chaucer. I do what every bloke with free net access does, and look at boobies.

 

Pron?

I would say that Harry should join House Indoril or at a stretch, House Telvanni since they have Warrior-Magi.

But you aren't aiming for a HP/ Morrowind x-over.

Unfortunately.

I would have loved to see Hermione beat the crap out of him with said tome.

Regards
Aerin

 

I think Fleur would be a better partner than any of the Hogwarts girls, as let's go through them:

Ginny - Looks as though she has a severe case of Spattergroit to a medieval Harry. Plus, ew.
Hermione - Too independant, too modern.
Luna - More likely to be revered as an oracle than married.
Cho - Does the girl have some sort of a problem? Her eyes are pointy, and her skin is yellow. What is this 'Chinese'? A disease?

Slytherin girls might have a chance, but if Harry lives at Godric's Court, I doubt he'll be predisposed to think kindly of Salazar's.

Fleur is beautiful (only canon babe!), intelligent, a 'warrior' in the tournament, and seems fairly old fashioned in her attitude towards men.

Edit: Also, the title of this thread makes you sound like a naive masseuse. Happy Endings? What are they?

 

Am I the only one that can see the conflict, the sexual tension?

Apparently.

 

* prayerfully *
Don't forget to give Harry bad teeth. And really bad dental hygiene. (That will drive Hermione INSANE.)
I seem to remember that underwear and sleepwear weren't invented until the late Middle Ages (when there was a reliable excess of linen)
Forks weren't introduced to England until the 1100's.


It might be fun to have Ollivander recognize him...

 

Ollivander's was founded in 382 BC, and I'm 100% certain that Ollivander isn't a thousand years old.

No underwear, eh?