Yea well, someone calling me a fan boy got to me.

Not at all. It's a true fact. Not fanon. It's canon. Go check it up your self if you have to.

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...And what? It's not like the first Hokage couldn't control the demon right...oh wait! He can.

Don't even mention that. What a pethatic way to end something. At least in these fights something remotly interesting happens.

 

Jesus fucking christ you sound as if I'd teabagged you. The series have turned to shit and it's my perogative to say so. You think I or anyone really cares how much we're upsetting the deluded fanbase, yes you, with such statements? Hell no?


The Naruto from the beginning to the Naruto from now differ pretty much in only Rasengan. Tactically he still does nothing but spam kage bunshins whom then momentairly after all get defeated with little to no effort from his opponents aoe jutsus. His ultimate power has been revealted to have been sic'ed by an Uchiha while another Uchiha has the power to suppress it's chakra.
End result: Naruto has grown in power compared to the common rabble but compared to the real nasty is still an insignificant speck of nothing.

Sasuke at the start was good, I liked him. He was obviously powerful for his age but not insanely so. Back then he was one prodigy among many and had his flaws. He behaved like an asshat but he was like your asshat of a best friend, the namecalling was just part of his friendship with Naruto.
Then everything fucks over with Sasuke powerup with leaps and bounds compared to anyone else, especially Naruto. And that's fucked up. You think Naruto could have taken Orochimaru? Fat chance. Right now Sasuke is so beyond Naruto it's sickening. And from what we know of canon even if Naruto were to somehow unleash his Kyuubi powers Sasuke would just suppress it and then spank Naruto.


Is Naruto still a moron? You bet your ass.
Is Sasuke a gary stu? You bet your ass.

What are you on about?

He does and he has. Sharingan used to be a clearly good bloodline ability. Now it's just plain overpowered.

Where is this Naruto? Oh yeah! Kishimoto needs an entire year to further develop his real main character. Big fat clue, that's not Naruto getting development.

Wrong fandom?

So? Kyuubi's totally irrelevant now. Sharingan users > Kyuubi > Naruto.

So you agree! Wow!

I'll respond with a quote from yourself.

Naruto vs Madara =/= canon.

So let's all call this manga Rock Lee. Clearly Naruto has nothing on him when it comes to sheer hard work. OH SNAP.

Responding with another quote by yourself.

Yes indeed. I see no moral fiber here.

Once again I almost get the feeling that you're Kishimoto reborn. Seriously what's up with taking this so personally?

Okay, I just don't understand what you're trying to say here.

And it always amuse me whenever someone pulls up the maturity card in a loosing debate. Especially when said person bases half his arguments on name calling.

Once again I must admit my reading comprehension fails me.

Yes because clearly this is Dostojevskij instead of your run off the mill Shounen action manga. But hey, whatever.



Kishimoton: Plothole no jutsu!
It's just so damn funny.

 

People call you a fanboy because you act like one. You eat Kishi's shit right up.

Explain, then, why Orochimaru suddenly forgot he could control Sasuke when, you know, Sasuke killed him?

The first Hokage? That guy that had a bloodline to control wood? What the fuck are you smoking, man?

Look at the quote that the line came from. The words anti-climactic came from your own post, Oujou. I just ran with it.

 

What?! Fanboy like Cxjenious? What?!! Logic? What?!!! Quote 1 serious post of mine when logic wasn't used.

And Kardikek, Naruto is in a prophecy. Originally Jiraiya thought Nagato (Pein) was the prophesized child, but as he was dying he figured it was Naruto.

 

i don't know...the space/time place they were in seems to be the place where Orochi controls people. But with Sasuke's Uber Sharingan, he was able to cancel it.

Yes, it's true. The First could control demons especially because of the Mokuton, the bloodline to control wood. It's the same reason why Tenzo (Yamato) was the substitute leader for Team 7, so that he can control/suppress Kyuubi's chakra in Naruto.

 

I don't know...I took that as the place he tries to take over their bodies, as opposed to where he tries to control them via the seal. Though, I suppose they're very similar.

Yes, it's true. The First could control demons especially because of the Mokuton, the bloodline to control wood. It's the same reason why Tenzo (Yamato) was the substitute leader for Team 7, so that he can control/suppress Kyuubi's chakra in Naruto.[/QUOTE]

How does that even work? You can use mokuton jutsu, so suddenly you can control demons? I thought he was put in charge more because he would later be useful in explaining elemental chakra and, possibly more importantly, he's strong.

Still, I can't help but wonder at the mechanics of that. How does one control demons via mokuton jutsu?

 

Here, straight from wiki:

My theory is that Mokuton is basically control of nature and the Bijus are freaks of nature, but still natural, the the user can control or suppress them to an extent.

 

The trees have some sort of special spiritual energy that works intune with the necklace that Naruto got from Tsunade to supress the demon chakra. It hasn't been explained, but I suspect that it's some sort of balance: trees create, and demon chakra destroys.

Has anyone mentioned that Sasuke broke Itachi's Tsukuyomi?

 

Aye, I think it was mentioned that the Shodai's ability to control/suppress Bijuu was the reason he was chosen as the 1st Hokage. It may have been Sakura who said it, not that sure.

It's funny isn't it? Naruto vs Neji, Chuunin exams, you have Naruto thumping his chest saying he controls his own destiny, now we have in Part 2 that Naruto is to be some kind of destined child...please tell me that Kishi hasn't fully forgotten about part 1?

As for Sasuke throwing off the Tsukuyomi...can't say I didn't expect it. In fact I was wondering how long we would have to wait until we saw that happen, that's how predictable the manga is getting.

/points at Oujou, I think you match this description. It's cool that you are a Sasuke fan, but what is not cool is that you refuse to see any flaws with what has been done to his character. Are you from Japan or something? I hear Sasuke is really popular in Japan.

Yes, and it was what made Shodai Hokage unique. However, that uniqueness was taken away when Kishi decided he was going to have the Uchiha clan also have the potential to control a demon. I didn't pluralize cause we don't know if their level of control goes outside of Kyuubi.

One of the only reasons I am still reading the manga right now is that I know that Naruto and Sasuke will fight again. And I know that Naruto will win. And when he does win it better be one of the best fucking battles in the entire manga.

 

But the prophecy is just a rehash of what we already know. We all knew that Naruto was the Harbinger of Change: of Peace seeing how he changes all the villains to see the proverbial light and created his own ninja way.

We already knew he could bring Destruction to the world because his containment of Kyuubi, who he has been slowly giving into, and that his fights are nothing short of destructive.

So really, the prophecy is an easy clue for those who couldn't see one of the main themes of Naruto D underneath the underneath).

just read 388 so i stand corrected. i guess Sasuke got another upgrade...i wonder how he's gonna over come Amaretsu though. Maybe those wings of his are fireproof...

someone please tell me what happened to Itachi's eye...

this makes me wonder if the Mokuton special ability was how the First defeated Madara. I mean, if Madara's chakra was "more sinister" than the Kyuubi's, and the First could suppress demons because of their destructive chakra, couldn't he have suppressed Madara's chakra?

 

I was looking at that. At first I thought Sasuke turned it around on Itachi and Itachi lost his eye. But before that he is shown with both eyes, so I am figuring that what ever Itachi is going to do requires one of his eyes to be closed.

I figure that since Mokuton can't be copied by the Sharingan that Madara had trouble against it. Though, I do like the idea of that Shodai used his demon supressing jutsu to defeat him. Which reminds me, what is the name of that technique.

 

it's called the:

 

The only problem with the current battle is that because its mostly genjutsu...reading it one chapter at a time is worthless. You need to read it like a volume at a time to really feel it. Other then that...kishi better give naruto some really powerful attacks.

 

actually, i was expecting a better fight filled with varieties of genjutsu, ninjutsu, and taijutsu. what the hell was i thinking?!

i mean, with the greatly ranged skill set of the Sharingan, you'd expect a fight between Uchilas to be like a uber Kage battle, where you've got stolen ninjutsu rapidly flying back and forth, mixed in with genjutsu being deceptively and expertly used, and a few DBZ-like taijutsu moves tossed in as spice.

but now, it's nothing than a cheap school yard fight with the two fighters trying to see whose got the bigger, better eye.

 

Normally I try to stay out of this sort of crap, but I'm gonna speak to this issue. Oujou Akaash, the reason that you're being called a fanboy is because you're acting like one.
Let me give you the some of the symptoms a fanboy usually exhibits.

1. The potential fanboy or girl in question will never accept fault or flaw in their favorite character no matter how mild.
2. The potential fanboy or girl in question leaps to the defense of their favorite character at the slightest insinuation that their favorite character is in any way shape or form less than wonderful.
3. The potential fanboy or girl in question tears down other characters while praising their favorite inordinately and wishing nothing but victories to be bestowed on said favorite character while claiming any loses are plot no jutsu or similar plot devices.
4. The potential fanboy or girl in question never sees their favorite character as being overpowered, no matter how much EVERYONE else is insisting they are. They flat outright believe that their favorite character in fact deserves more and more power, no matter how fatal this mary suing is to the plot or story balance.
5. The potential fanboy or girl in question uses tortured logic and outright lies to try and convince others that the other characters are being treated exactly the same as their overhyped and frankly annoying as shit character, when in fact it's clear to EVERYONE else that such is not the case.
6. The person in question is a Uchiha fan of the sort seen on Narutofan forums

You, I'm afraid, have become a fanboy. Maybe not all apply, but I'd say I've seen you behaving very fanboish.

Fortunately you are here at DLP forums, where bullshit is just not tolerated. You will be slapped hard in the face with facts and honesty and will not have your delusions be reinforced by other Uchiha-tards such as you'd find on Naruto forums.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that the people here are Naruto-tards that are just trying to bitchslap you around because you aren't praising Naruto. No, the people here are honest about him too. He acts like a fucking retard and is such a fucking idiot that it makes you want to scream when he succeeds at anything... but that's Kishimotos fault and frankly he's a jackass for keeping him acting like that. It got old ages ago. Move on.

We're blunt, we're cruel, but we're fucking honest about it.

Okay, I'm going to ask you very carefully to actually show us a panel or two where Sasuke is shown to have suffered any significant ill effects from the curse seal in part II of the manga.

If you cannot... then you're wrong.

Honestly, it looks like Kishimoto just couldn't think of a way for Sasuke to get away from Oro, and just decided to fucking forget that the curse seal has any negative effect for his little precious Sasuke-chan. Because let's be 100% honest here, If this were true, that the curse seal DOES make you Oro's slave, then when Oro confronted Sasuke in that mindscape (when he was trying to take Sasuke over) where the ground started forming around Sasuke, the end result would have been very different.

If it were true, then Oro should have dominated him and taken his body over completely... Oh.. .but that didn't happen at all. That was, afterall what he was telling Sasuke he wanted.

Now, if you can't show us at least 1 panel where the curse seal is actually penalizing Sasuke in a meaningful way, then I'd have to say your claim that it isn't just a cheap ass free powerup is just so much hot air.

Do not confuse control with suppress.
But that's quibbling.

Anyway, here's the deal.

People are pissed off at Kishimoto for very simple reasons.
1. Common sense is not being used.
2. Continuity is not being used.
3. Equity is not being used.
4. The Sharingan is being turned into the be all end all of everything
5. Kishimoto is riding Uchiha dick like he's a Bangkok whore and the Uchiha are sailors just in port.


Examples of Common sense being abandoned.
1. Naruto has apparently learnt nothing in 2.5 years of training. He can't break genjutsu, his Taijutsu is still crap (he needs to still spam Kage bunshin rather than fighting well one on one), he's learnt NO new ninjutsu, and has shown no increase in maturity at all in his personality.

2. Villians fight well until their time to die comes along, and then they turn into fucking lobotomy victims. (Examples, Hidan (Shika beating him like he did was ridiculous. He did plan well, but Hidan suddenly had no other skills than his stupid rite? Bullshit) Kakuzu (suddenly lets Naruto fool him with a fucking Kagebunshin? That's just stupid. Before that he was tearing up the fucking forest, and beating the hell out of Kakashi and everyone else), Diedara (Oh please, blow yourself up for real rather than just retreat while Sasuke is tired as hell.) Oro (right, Orochimaru wouldn't have planned for Sasuke beating him with the sharingan when Itachi did the exact same thing. Why not just tell Sasuke, Oh btw... if you kill me... I've introduced a poison that I put an antidote in your drugs I give you, kill me and you have a week to live, tops)

I could continue to list off problems of common sense... but I feel it would take longer than this post could be. Suffice to say, the issue with Orochimaru alone is huge. Taking over Sasuke was his fucking goal for like 5 years. But he appears to have given it absolutely none of the planning and care he gave to trying to destroy Konoha. Oro KNEW what the Sharingan could do, and appears to have just fucking blew it off. Fuck, Itachi demonstrated to him exactly what benifits it gave him. If I were him I'd have done one of two things. Either put a time release effect on the curse seal that destroys Sasukes soul and puts mine in it's place piece by piece... or... a poison that kills him if he ever tries to kill me, leave me, or tries to incapacitate me for real. One that makes his skin catch fire and burn him to death

Continuity not being used.
1. Remember when Kakashi's 3 tomoe Sharingan couldn't even fucking see through Mizu bunshin or through Zabuza's mist? And now Sasuke's Sharingan can fucking see through the ground to see Diedara's attacks?
Way to fucking go Kishimoto... way to keep continuity

2. Part IThe curse seal turns you into Oro's slave with no will to resist him.
Part II.... The curse seal? Ohhh... that's a free power up I invented for sasuke, right?... Huh? It turns you into Oro's slave? Since when? Hey, give me my crack pipe back!

Equity is not being observed
1. Remember that Jiraiya is also a Sannin like oro... who also knows Kagebunshin and Jiraiya even taught the 4th? So he takes Naruto off for 2.5 years of hard training... and Naruto even said how hard a task master Jiraiya is... but for some reason the Kage Bunshin training method was apparently not used to give Naruto a solid education. So while Sasuke, who is supposed to be Naruto's rival, gets an outstanding education in skills and powers, Naruto gets broken in that he can no longer safely use his sole equalizer, the Kyuubi.
As a result, the more Kishi keeps hyping up Sasuke... the wide the gap between the characters become. But at a certain point, while we know that Naruto is supposed to catch up and surpass him... the believeability of him catching up and surpassing anyone BELIEVEABLE becomes zero.
So long as Naruto continues to act like a fucking retarded 8 year old the chances he'd EVER show the kind of discipline and drive needed to catch up to someone who has spent years of dedicated training with RESULTS showing under their belt just becomes more and more unrealistic and unbelievable. This is Kishimoto's legacy of writing like a fucking retard.

4. The Sharingan being the be all end all

Christ almighty, anyone that can't see that the Sharingan went from being a nifty bloodline limit (one with shortcomings) to suddenly being the fucking swiss army knife of jutsuland is just plain blind. Where once it couldnt see through mist, suddenly it can see through fucking DIRT, control the Kyuubi, and a bazillion other powers. All without apparent real penalty now that we've got the fucking Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan out there. Someone needs to fly over to Japan, beat Kishimotos fucking skull in with a few books on what a Gary stu is, and then politely tell him to stop riding so much Uchiha dick. Sasuke may be the most popular character in their fangirl polls, but if you look, add the next three characters together and you've doubled his score. That means the majority of his fanbase are likely getting pissed off at his blatant Uchiha fanservice. Treat all the characters equally and he'd be much better off. All he's doing now is ruining the manga with favoritism and crappy plot lines that all involve the Uchiha and the fucking Sharingan. As things stand, I'm begining to think that Itachi did their world a fucking public service by killing off that whole damn family and instead of a death sentence should be given a damn medal.

 

Oi, I'll have you know that not all Naruto forums have Uchiha-tards. In fact A Demon's Desire only has one Sasugay fan which is me, and that is only because I told one of the Admins that Firefly sucked balls so he slapped me with the Sasugay fan label >_>

My thoughts exactly. Here is how people should look at it. Throughout Shippuden what have we seen Naruto do that we haven't seen him do in part 1? No guesses? Absolutely nothing.

The Naruto vs Sasuke fight pretty much showcased both of their skill. Post time skip Naruto looks exactly the same as Valley of the End Naruto in terms of ability (Kyuubi doesn't count as that is not ability). Even throughout Shippuden all Naruto has gained is a new jutsu that he can't use until he fully masters it.

 

how would you think Naruto would have turned out had the Fourth not died when he sealed Kyuubi?

 

Gee, let's see, His father would still be alive, and seeing as he's the 4th Hokage... cripes!

He'd still be looked at with suspicion and hostility from some no doubt... they'd see him as being the prison for the Kyuubi... and some few would advocate that it'd be better to kill him .. sacrificing his life for the safety of the village, even if it's the son of the man that saved them all.

Overall, with as bipolar as Naruto is, he'd go one of two ways, he'd either have become fixated on surpassing his father in every way... or he'd have no interest in ninja antics at all.

Either way he'd not act like a freaking moron though. His segregation from everyone else and lack of care and nurturing has resulted in him being socially stunted in a lot of ways, and having a father and having said father be the Hokage... he'd be a very different person. A lot more balanced, a lot more self assured, and likely a lot more skilled.

But first and foremost, he'd have all the honeys after him.

 

I'd much rather see him get some fucking skill then more powerful attacks that he's too fucking slow and sucks to much at taijutsu to hit with >_> He has 2 juttsu, terrible Taijutsu and no Genjutsu. You can't say his Ninjutsu is good either because his only 2 jutsu don't even use fucking seals.

 

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