This thread is absolutely amazing. Not to say it has four pages worth of posts in a single evening. Time to rush in and defend noble wizards from muggle scourge...

Wizarding spies.

This of course depends on who makes the preemptive strike. In order to properly debate a muggle vs. wizard war we have to assume that one of them makes an initial strike.

This can go both ways, either as Heather Sinclair's story points out, with magic being seen and the Wizards botching up their attempt at concealing, or in my favourite scenario, a charismatic leader takes over Magical society and convinces the witches and wizards that the muggles must be eradicated for the common goal.

Before we go and wine that it can't happen, please consider Hitler, Mussolini, the Legion of Archangel Michael in Romania, Franco, Napoleon and other common examples.

In the case of a wizarding pre-emptive strike any leader worth his strategy would take advantage of the supreme concealment of a wizard to plant spies. Remember once a wizard drops the robes and hides the wand he is rather identical to a muggle. If Schaklebolt was able to serve as the PM's secretary for a year, I am sure the sport's issue will not come to play.

An easy way out for a wizarding victory would be to simply Imperio the Leaders of the Muggle world and have them declare war on each other. Wizards, properly warned in advance retreat to safe heavens, of which there are plenty (Azkaban, Hogwarts, Diagon Alley etc.). The Muggle world wages war on each other, ruining the infrastructure they base themselves on. At this point the wizards come out of hiding and declare themselves rulers. Magic plays its role here, with a little impression, coercion and other such things, a broken society might look for a magical solution.

Frankly, the most common argument I see from the pro-muggles is "nuke London", with the much appreciated variants of "nuke Hogwarts, nuke Godric's Hollow, nuke Spinner's End etc".

Do you realize the impact of wiping out the world's financial capital. Stock market collapse, Britain is paralysed, environmentalists are screaming like Snape caught with his robes down by Potter. Total chaos. Considering that wizards are not based on infrastructure or large population centres nuking will hurt muggles more than wizards.

 

Disagreement here. But "all out battle" still hasn't been defined.

Also, HBP, I just thought of a new offensive for the wizards: Love potions. Make the Muggles love you. It's like the Gay Bomb, only better.

 

All out battle, as in the wizards sending out all their forces and Muggles sending out their forces or a completly land based battle if you prefer.

 

How in gods name do you think they get all the stuff they have in the dept? ask for it nicely?

 

Both sides hitting the field fitting street to street throwing spells and high velocity slugs of molten lead.

 

Initially they were a botched up attempt by JKR, a prototype for the Aurors, much like the Death Eaters were called the Knights of Walpurgis at first.

Their status as of now is undefined, some authors take liberties with them. In my opinion they are lesser quality troops, with lesser entry requirements used to boost up the ranks of the Aurors when needed. I base that on the fact that the Auror entry requirements are rather strict.

The Aurors are painted as imbeciles in canon due to the same reason redshirted ensigns die in Star Trek and stormtroopers can't shoot.

The heroes need to be portrayed in the sunlight and there needs to be casualties as well, so the solution is to kill the unnamed, or have them perform poorly.

I would claim that Aurors are in fact rather well trained from the strict entry requirements, meaning not anyone can become an Auror and the rather elite status they seem to enjoy in society.

EDIT: damn, this thread is moving faster then I can follow it.

 

Agreed but for the threads sake this is about what if Muggles Verse Wizards war.

 

"And nowhere does it say"

Is a bad form of argument. Very bad. Because once you allow it, everything that isn't explicitly stated to be untrue is allowed.


"And no where does it say that wizards don't have dragons the size of planets in a pen in space, ready to kill the Muggles when they need to."

See what I mean?

Um...yes they do. It's in DH. The Taboo is a country wide spell cast on a word. And Hogwarts is unplottable.

 

Oz, memory charms break, Wizards aren't the end all beat all.
You put a forty five acp in the temple of a wizard, he's still dead.

 

True. But if you put a Killing Curse in the pinky, toe, nose, ear, any body part whatsoever of a Muggle he dies.

The Killing curse is superior to a bullet, as it kills you no matter where it touches you.

 

Though it does take longer to cast a AK, I'm actually curious, can you say the incantation extremely fast, and still get full effect out the spell?

 

Yes. But the hard part is getting the bullet there in the first place.

We've only heard of one instance of this, and it was due to use of the Cruciatus curse. So not really something the Muggles can replicate it seems.

 

all those prophecies?
I Highly doubt it.

 

We have seen Snape do silent casting while duelling Harry. Potentially, that could be done with the Killing curse as well. It is the focus of magic itself, not the words that hold power.

Remember what fake Moody said.

You could all wave your wands at me and say Avada Kedavra and I wouldn't get so much as a nosebleed.

As such, since silence casting has been proven possible, I see no reason why the spell could not be fired rapidly.

 

Shock therapy, hell repressed memories brought up by trauma, but your right about putting this bullet on target.

 

Yes, but the same can be said about getting the AK there.

Well, since the Cruciatus curse affects the mind, the muggles could replicate this by forcing trauma on the brain of the victim.

 

Voldemort in OotP used several silent AKs, so we know it's possible.

Not really. AK is simple: point and shoot. The only defence is having a physical object in the way. With a bullet, there are numerous ways that a wizard can magically protect himself.

We don't actually know that. It's fanon that Cruciatus is a mental spell.