No they would not win they would survive.

 

Well I guess your on your own now. This is getting to hard. Wizards are going to win, but their will be heavy casualties.

 

Oh God give up already Wizards would win and Muggles would lose lol. End of story

 

Why would a wizard be in muggle anywhere during a war? It is an utterly useless idea to think about a muggle being able to snipe a wizard because that would require them knowing where a wizard will be at a certain point in the day and having a building that has a line-of-sight to that location. Wizards won't be doing anything but apparating and side-along-apparating during a war. and muggles can't get into Diagon Alley.

 

They can effectively hide from Muggles, you admitted this a moment ago.

Now they have their continued existence secured, the wizards can now focus on offensive attacks. Quick hit and run attacks that the Muggles don't even see coming. Attack the Muggle's infrastructure, use it against them.

I actually think that the Muggles of the 21st century would be easier to defeat than the Muggles of the 10th century. 21st century Muggles have invented so many ways of getting at them en mass, whereas back in the 10th century you'd have to go picking them off one by one in the countryside.

 

Frankly, I think that the problem isn't being approached correctly. Or, if it is or has been, I have no intention of reading 9 pages of half-relevant posts to find out.

To start, let us consider Arthur C. Clarke's notion that "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." It would follow, then, that sufficiently advanced magic would be indistinguishable from that same technology.

To make the point more clear, I refer you to the instance in DH, loathe though I am to use material from it, where Voldemort was blocked by the wards around the Tonks' house. This is essentially a magical version of a force shield, in the fashion of Star Trek and the like.

And then, of course, there is the Killing Curse - a literal 'death ray' - among other rather deadly and destructive spells. And that's ignoring the simple method of conjuring/transfiguring a very big object and banishing it: gigantic asteroid impact, anyone?

Magic can create at least a basic version of pretty much any weapon or defense found in science fiction. Given that, it's pretty much a given that wizards would win a war between the two. That said, at least in Rowlings' universe, very few, if any, people would actually think to do this. This is perhaps in part because of characters that are written to be stupid, but I think that a significant portion of it is that Rowling isn't all that bright herself, which limits the intelligence of her characters and their actions.

Yes, wizards would win the war - but I highly doubt that they would let the war happen in the first place. After all, they do have mind control, and even if they steer away from the Imperius Curse, there are lesser compulsion charms.

Narion

 

It's at times like this that I regret the rep system being turned off.

+Rep for you, dear sir.

 

I would like to argue against the Inpervius spell blocking bullets.

See, here's my logic, and here's yours (and by yours, I mean Oz)

Mine: Impervius was used, (IIRC), to prevent the rain from sticking to Harry's glasses. Rain is not the same as bullets, and a more powerful spell of some sort would be needed.

Yours: OMGL0LOZROXXORS Inpervius blocks rain so naturally it'll block high caliber firearms.

 

Kerrus that is not what he is doing. Plus who's to say it takes anymore magic to block a hundred bullets then it does to block one? We will never know probably. Why can't one protego shield block a million bullets?It's Magic, and magic has no restrictions really, therefore it could probably block anything no matter how much or big or small or something.


edit::doesn't have anything to do with impervious spell,just saying what I said above to make a point in general

 

Impervius was also used in DH to block physical objects, so we know it repells more than just rain, but can be applied to all physical objects.

And above reasoning also^^

If you disagree that magic is quantifiable, as I - and JKR - do, it takes the same spell to repel a feather as a bullet and 100 bullets, becuase it takes no more nor no less magic. Magic works in absolutes, not variable values. Either it repels the object, or it doesn't.

 

I have to agreed with this guy, he has made the most sense out of most of us. So on that note, maybe we should start another thread? But this time go about the right way.

 

Mine: The impervious charm has the ability to block rain coming down at differing strength, because not all rain is the same size. Therefore, the magic can, hypothetically, block ANY rain going any speed. There is nothing saying otherwise in canon.

 

My theory is that the spell blocks everything except objects going at the speed of light or sound. And magic as we don't see everyone use this spell to block spells.

 

Presumably you say this because otherwise the caster wouldn't be able to hear or see?

I think this kind of clarification is dangerous, as it is too scientific in its formulation.

I find it better just to say that the spell is intelligent (not sentient - see earlier parts of the thread) and takes the caster's intentions into account, and so doesn't suffocate them etc.

 

Magic is power over reality. So only an equal or greater power over reality will be able to stop it.

 

I guess if we have to go by intelligent magic... We really have to come up with some sort thread detailing this out because this just gets stupid as we go on.
If we actually made that kind of list, it might actually improve fics, by making magic have some sort of order, even if it is its own.

 

This is a bit anal, but I find even this formulation too scientific...

The idea of equal and greater forces is part of that reality that magic defies, IMO.

Yes, one wizard that casts a spell can cast that spell stronger than another wizard, but I wouldn't go so far to say that these strengths are quantifiable.

So it's not like you can say spell X has a power of 5, spell Y a power of 6.

It's more like how you can have greater and smaller infinities*, yet they're all still infinity and therefore immeasurable.

* Imagine the set of real numbers: 1, 2, 3, 4...etc.

This set of numbers goes on forever - it is infinite.

Now imagine the set of even numbers: 2, 4, 6, 8...etc.

This set is also infinite.

Yet it is a smaller infinity than the set of real numbers, as it is a subset of this.

So, you can have smaller and greater infinities, but all are immeasurable.

So too can you have greater and lesser spells, but all are immeasurable.

 

One thing I notice that usually pops up in this kind of thread is that the Muggles react like people in the real world would, not like they would in the books. If we take the premise that wizards are muggles with magic then we have a baseline for how the muggles will react.

Anyone remember the first book? When weird shit was going on after Voldemort died and everyone fucking ignored the obvious signs of something going on? Instead of being all suspicious of the sudden meteor showers, the sky full of owls, of the people in strange robes and funny hats running about spouting nonsense, they kind of laughed it off and didn't think about it? Hell, the Knight Bus works by making everything else move out of the way and when it passes the objects move back. I'm pretty sure that was talked about and they said the Muggles saw it but ignored it. So that gives us an indication of how exactly muggles would react when faced with magic. They would ignore it until it blatantly affected them, but by then it would be too late.