that...was...AWESOME!!! seriously, a good, creative and wonderful read. Thanks for the rec.

 

The new manga chapter is out, and Sasuke's been winning...

 

I'm sorta reading it half assed because I pretty much know what's going to happen. Sasuke is going to somehow avoid the Amaterasu with only a couple burns. Then it's back to more talking and fighting.

How long do you guys think this fight will go on? And if Sasuke wins what will he do after?

My guess is we are going to be reading this fight until late April maybe early May. If Sasuke wins I don't think he is going back to Konoha, instead I think he is going to take Team Hebi and go after Madara.

 

Cx,

Typical shonen manga story telling... Every fight goes that way. First the badguy is up, then the goodguy is up, then the badguy is up.

All I can do is tell you this.

Look at this quote.


So there ya go. Kakashi said it all.

If you give in to hatred and depend on the curse seal, that'll be it for your strength growth in that case you can never defeat itachi.

Sasuke is not going to win this battle with the power of hatred or the power of his curse seal. Mark my words.

 

that may be true and all, but Itachi is kinda acting desperate...

i mean, seriously, am i to believe that someone who has been trained by an Immortal Uchiha with an Eternal Sharingan is getting his ass whooped by a young upstart Uchiha whose been trained by a quasi-immortal Snake?

You're underestimate Kishi's love for Sasuke...



what about the statement from Kyuubi about Sasuke's eye being similar to Madara's? Can't we infer that Sasuke's Sharingan is as powerful as Madara's Eternal Sharingan?

and another thing: Madara was said to have attained a permanent M. Sharingan, right? and when we see Tobi proclaiming himself as Madara, we see he has a fully matured Sharingan (not M. Sharingan). is losing the E. M. Sharingan the price to pay for being able to control a demon as powerful as Kyuubi?

and another thing: Zetsu says that the Sharingan is another tool to a ninja and that an expert with a stone can beat a novice with a shuriken. This imply that Sasuke is a better Sharingan user than Itachi.

Since when was Sasuke a better user of the Sharingan than Itachi? Didn't Itachi get his Sharingan when he was about 8 yo and has been using it for 10+ years? and Sasuke got his at 11 and has only used it for approx. 5 years? So shouldn't the person who used the eye technique the longest have the greatest experience in it?

 

The Kyuubi was referring to the "secret" power of the Sharingan, not Sasuke's individual sharingan. The reference to Sasuke and Madara's similar chakra...

The Mangekyou Sharingan can be deactivated. Itachi has been shown with the three tomoe sharingan. Madara's sharingan is eternal, but not permanent.

And it is plausible that Sasuke has more skill with his Sharingan than Itachi. Itachi uses the Mangekyou Sharingan exclusively, implying that he did not fully explore the capabilites of the 3 tomoe Sharingan as Sasuke apparently has. Orochimaru said it himself, "Your eyes hold more potential than Itachi's", though his statements can be disregarded since he was trying to sway Sasuke to his side.

 

i think Itachi is way more sinister than Sasuke can ever be. At the age of 14, he willing participated in the complete eradication of a clan of combat nins. He even killed his own parents and his best friend!

the only thing Sasuke ever did was betray his best friend, and his mentor(s).

so, if this secret power relies on the blackness of one's chakra, then Itachi should have a more powerful Sharingan that Sasuke.

Hell, shit like deflected genjutsus shouldn't even happen to Itachi, seeing as he is a Genjutsu specialist, and Sasuke's not.

But Itachi said it's permanent.

i see the essence of your argument but still, before Itachi gained the MS, he had the 3-tomoe Sharingan. He mastered the Sharingan when he was 8 years and gained the MS when he was 14, so he's been using the 3-tomoe Sharingan for approx. 6 years. He had the 3-tomoe Sharingan when he was a Genin, Chunin, AND ANBU squad leader, meaning 6 years of very extensive use.

Contrastingly, Sasuke has only used his 3-tomoe Sharingan for 3 years, since he gained the last tomoe in the battle vs Naruto.

So, are you telling me that Sasuke has more experience with his Sharingan than Itachi? Note that Itachi has way more battle experience with his Sharingan than Sasuke.

 

No one ever said more sinister chakra meant a more powerful Sharingan, nor was it said that Itachi's chakra isn't just as sinister as Sasuke's. As far as Sasuke breaking Itachi's ultra genjutsu... I don't write the manga, I just read it.

Permanent, eternal, blah, it can still be deactivated. It just doesn't cause blindness. You're taking the word too literally.

Experience doesn't equal skill. It just means you've been doing something for a long time. Skill comes with experience, but one can be skilled without a lot of experience. He had six years of extensive use, bit did he push to discover what else the three tomes sharingan could do, or did he listen to Madara and focus on attaining the Mangekyou? I'm not saying Sasuke is more skilled with his sharingan, I'm saying it's plausible.

 

I know. I'm just speculating with the facts, despite the credibility of the sources, given in the manga.

I'm taking a literal meaning of the word because I don't think the EMS can be deactivated, or else it wouldn't be permanent or eternal. It just be a Double MS or something. you could even say that the normal MS is permanent but we don't. So to call something permanent or eternal must be very important.

that's why I asked if losing the EMS was the price to pay for summoning/controlling the Kyuubi.

That's the problem. I can't imagine Itachi, prodigy of the Uchiha clan, not being inquisitive of his bloodline. I can't see him being the great, formidable ninja he is, without pushing his doujutsu to the limit.

Maybe my image of Itachi is heavily influenced by fanon...

I know. I'm not attacking you, even if it seems like it. I'm just trying to make sense of Kishi's illogicality.

i'm still trying to figure out how Madara's the founder of the Uchiha Clan (source: Jiraiya) when Itachi says he took over the clan...

 

It's cool dude. If I thought you were attacking me, I would have called you a jackass or sumthin' in my post.

Madara is the founder because he was the strongest, and the first to actually awaken the Sharingan. He banded those with the Uchiha name and made them into a true clan to match the Hyuuga.

In regards to Itachi... Madara got to him at a young age, and he was possibly the catalyst that launched Itachi to his prodigious heights. It's not hard to imagine Madara filling Itachi's young head with grand tales about the Mangekyou sharingan and it's power, and as a result, totally disregarding the 3 tomoe sharingan.

 

Correction: He was the first to awaken the M. Sharingan, not the Sharingan itself. We have no canonical evidence or reference to the first Sharingan user. but i guess you're correct.

hmmm, a plausible situation. I guess, we'll just have to wait and see...

 

The recent chapter with a "flashback" explaining what happened to Madara and his brother actually cements Madara as the first to awaken the Sharingan. He and his brother both did; then, they both awakened the Mangekyou. Then, Madara, going blind, stole his brother's eyes to get the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan.

 

i don't know. i think if he was the first Sharingan user, Itachi would have pointed it out when he told Sasuke about the "story of Uchiha Madara." I mean, it is a big deal, being the first to have the sharingan.

furthermore, the way Itachi told the story made it seem like Madara and his brother were expected to get the Sharingan. which must mean, they weren't the first to attain it, and the clan was aware of it's existence.

and when Itachi says that Madara and his brother "were acknowledged as being gifted, even by their own clansmen", i think he meant that they took the Sharingan to a new, unprecedented level that surprised the clan. IMO, that means the Sharingan must have existed before Madara got it.

Even Garret P.I. proves that the the Sharingan existed before Madara: here.

in regards to the mystery around the Uchiha clan founder, i think the title is attributed to Madara because he helped in the founding of the Leaf and was the clan leader at that moment.

 

Chapter 386 says that Madara and his brother "awakened their Sharingan" not that they were the first. During the chapter is says that they were the first ever to awaken the Mangekyou Sharingan and that with their power they soon took control of the Uchiha clan. At least, this is what my translation says.

 

Yeah, I caught that in re-reading after looking over Mage Ronin's post.

 

...Why do I have a feeling that Sasuke will be getting this.

 

in order to get the EMS, both Uchiha need to have a MS themselves. so I highly doubt Sasuke's gonna get it since he doesn't have (or hasn't shown proof of having) a M. Sharingan.

unless, of course, Kishi digs really deep into his magician hat and says Sasuke attained the MS the same way Kakashi did, or because the hatred in his heart was strong and tainted enough to unlock the MS.

any thoughts on how Kakashi did get the MS? the basic idea being that a strong negative emotion is the key to unlocking the MS (so DBZish)- with Madara and his brother being the exceptions (or maybe not. is being power hungry an emotion?).

wonder what would happen if you use a strong positive emotion...

 

His will to protect his precious people or some dumb bullshit like that I presume. Maybe the will of fire did it for him.

The will of fire in you is strong, young one. /Yoda

 

IMO, the will of fire does not encompass revenge or betrayal. thus Sasuke is not a prime candidate for possessing the will of fire.

and who is he protecting?

EDIT: do you mean Sasuke or Kakashi? i think Kakashi used the guilt of outliving his teammates to get the MS.

lol, you said it wrong...Yoda-speak

Is strong in you, the will of fire, young one.