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Complete The Denarian Knight by Shezza88 - M - Dresden Files

Discussion in 'The Alternates' started by Rehio, Oct 26, 2007.

  1. Andro

    Andro Master of Death DLP Supporter

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    Harry sells his Holy Serum on the black market, and it becomes a best-seller.

    Eventually, the demand exceeds the supply, and that's when the fun starts.
     
  2. Oz

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    I'm lol'ing from just imagining the production line. Quick and efficient indeed.
     
  3. Augurey

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    Speaking of fics that need updates, Cypher3au gave Harry a Pimp Cane in "Gene-Spliced Harry."
     
  4. Orm Embar

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    I imagine that, despite previous incidents, Harry feels that Hogwarts is a relatively safe environment. Therefore, he doesn't really feel the need to cart his most dangerous and slightly inconvenient weapon around wherever he goes. For example, you wouldn't take a baseball bat with you when you mow the lawn, would you? His arrogance and trust in the wards are a weakness, especially since he has so many enemies. I imagine that after this incident, he may become more cautious.
     
  5. Kai Shek

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    Also he hates the sword for what it represents, and doesn't want to feel like he needs it in anyway. He defeated these Denarians without the sword and came out without much harm being done, so his point of view probably won't change, and he still won't believe that the sword is needed, and it isn't.
     
  6. Jenkins

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    I would have assumed Shezza was down-playing it on purpose...in effect, bringing it out in a huge bang with some sewperkewl reason later on...though she may have just forgotten it.
     
  7. Dark Belra

    Dark Belra Minister of Magic

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    We are not starting that again, remember the last time this was brought up.
     
  8. Datakim

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    The question then becomes however, why has he not dumped the thing already? Why is he keeping it? I mean the sword does occasionally "force" him to do things that he is not entirely happy about. If he does not actually use it when it would help him, then why bother going through the trouble of obeying its will. Why not just throw it away and be done with it?


    True enough I guess, through that still does not tell us why the sword did not warn him about the attack?

    Here is a quote from DK:2
    In that part, the sword was able to see four days into the future. It knew exactly where the Troll would attack the homeless man. It knew that Harry would be there. And it knew that Harry would relent and save the man after being nagged at for four days.

    If the sword could do that(and other events like that), then why the hell did it not warn Harry about the Denarian attack? Why did it not start nagging Harry to take it with him at the day of the attack? I mean Harry did win yes, but if he had had the sword he might have actually managed to kill one or two of those guys. Surely removing Voldemorts allies would be beneficial.

    I realise that the real reason is that Shezza probably did not think of it. However thats not a really a good in-story explanation. I cannot help but feel that these should be addressed somehow.
     
  9. Kai Shek

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    Meciel told him to keep it and use it, I believe so he will, just the least amount as possible.
     
  10. Kardikek

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    Okay, firstly, holy crap at that reply!


    I was trying to excuse the rather poor view you get as a reader from him by what miniscule hints we can get. It's not too far of a stretch to imagine Lucius not being the only one to bribe/be bribed by Fudge. As such he would have the "support" of the influential plus their spheres of influence as long as Fudge didn't step out of line from their agendas. Bashing Dumbledore and taking him down a few pegs seems like the perfectly reasonable thing to do for the power hungry.

    Quite possible this is merely fanon speaking but was it not mentioned somewhere by Albus no less that the public were craving blood? Can you not argue that the minister was doing what the public wanted? After such an ordeal it's not a long shot.

    I didn't argue from a jurisdictional point of view, more of the; "Oh shit he just slew a big fucking magical something with his shiny sword!" And even if it wasn't him, then a knight must have been bound to have been spotted doing impressive feats at one time or another. And Harry Potter is the living proof of how legends live more than is perhaps reasonable. Now any centralized policing agency worth it's salt will make damn sure to keep track of such people. Or in modern day equivalents, make sure every nuclear sub is firmly under control or under surveilance followed by intel. But once again it's all conjecture on what a reasonably intelligent military would do, and incompentence has an astonishing way of disappearing in the face threat of mortal peril. Voldemort doesn't count, he can't have been the first serious threat to any wizarding government and he also had moles actively subverting the war effort. Michael was never declared dead either.
    You don't have to show an Abrams tanks in front of an australian school teacher to know you shouldn't pit it against monster. I'm arguing that though the verses were separated there were no statue of secrecy as with the non-magicals which makes the world of difference. Try keeping something secret that nobody believes is a secret and with no way of enforcing it.

    People like Fudge would suprise you in real life. They operate in an imaginary narcisistic world. But make no mistake, every single threat upon their supposed greatness is taken under extreme consideration if only to twist it into a way to further their own greatness. A total idiot like you suppose Fudge would be, would never get one foot into an arena as filled with backstabbing and bribing as the british wizarding government is written.

    Don't know anything about the Dresden verse to be honest. I concede your point. :)

    Actually as I had no prior knowledge of Dresden-verse canon except for the first season on the tele I went with the assumption that whatever law-enforcement of whatever government runs the magical american community would be more involved with a person such as Michael. Smiting evil is after all easier if you have pencil pushers doing the paperwork.
    As such this entire transfer be of some political importance. Though I'm just speculating once again so oh well.

    It sure seems barbaric compared to the more.. well anti-something society today to put it politically. But there are still countries on earth where teachers are allowed to do whatever as long as the children are not crippled. If the wizarding society show the technological equivalent of early 20ieth century then that still well before full free voting rights for all in any country. Children had even less rights.

    The snapping of a wand could quite as well be something purely symbolic. They seem to hate squibs and muggles so breaking someone's ability to do magic would seem like a death sentence. Pretty extreme even for something which could be contorted into foreign attempts at rallying local support for an anti-government revolution during peace time. Especially without involving whatever nationality Amanda is part of and the trial that Fudge would have to go through. Wizarding Britain shows no indication of being any magical superpower and as such _doubtfully_ have intimidating powers to just ship a foreign national away to Azkaban without a trial.


    If you base your assumption on Shezza being imperfect in any way of course. The more likely solution would be that the Sword needed those two alive to have the timelines in such a way as to lop of the heads of their two bosses. :)

    Edit: Sorry to those who were reading the topic while I was still editing spelling errors!
     
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  11. Orm Embar

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    There have been several instances in this book where the sword did not warn him of an attack against his person: the attack by Voldemort on his apartment, and the one by the White Council, which occurred shortly afterwards. He had the sword in his possession on both occasions, but it did little to warn him. Therefore, we have to assume that the sword doesn't work for him; it only alerts him of the problems of others.
     
  12. Oz

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    God works in mysterious ways. 'Nuff said.
    And no, I'm not joking. Those of you who've read the Dresden files know what I mean. Why does God let the Knights die and their families fall into danger? Free-will. The sword ain't gonna force Harry into anything, but it can guide him, and it will when God feels he needs to.
     
  13. Shezza

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    Okay, I thought I'd respond to a few of these reviews since it's caused a lot of dicussion, plus, Chuck called me an amateur author!

    In truth, he's right.

    About the sword, well, I never really did have any plans for it until the next book, so it was a bit of an oversight. However, somebody seems to have fixed the problem for me.

    This raises a good point that I hadn't even thought about, so I'm totally going to steal it and put it in somewhere, probably Harry grumbling at it being 'useful' and so forth and so forth. The reason he hasn't dumped it is because Meciel told him not too. The reason he doesn't carry it everywhere around with him is because he believes he doesn't need it. He took on the Denarians pretty well by himself, and he had somebody else to protect at the same time.

    But yeah, most of the sword stuff is an oversight on my part. Like Chuck said, I am an amateur trying to write a (at least, I hope) complex story with something more than blank-slate characterizations (even though Amanda feels like that to me sometimes) and stupid action. Oh, and some witty lines. That makes it fun to read- and write. I miss quite a lot, which Jon, nuhuh, Dakatim and you guys pick up. It's the reason I love using DLP as a 'beta' site, because it's not just grammar that you guys pick up, it's important plot-holes I miss.

    Here you guys, have a cookie :p



    As for Amanda's status, to the Ministry and to Fudge, she's a nobody. She's just a plain muggleborn student. Sure, she has a little skill and talent behind her, but she's not the next Merlin or anything, and she's not the heir of a pureblood family. I see Fudge as having no qualms in snapping her wand in terms of family.

    The way I envisioned it, the Knights and that aren't a well known organization. Somebody may have noticed over the years, sure, but not enough for Fudge to recognize Michael as a powerful warrior of God. They tend to keep a low profile in DF canon. And, even if Fudge did snap Amanda's wand, what would Michael do? This is the father of the daughter who was kidnapped, abused, put on trial for a shit reason, and almost executed- and he didn't even raise his voice to the White Council or go on a revenge-filled strike (as far as we know). He strikes me as an incredibly patient and understanding man, who you would be hard-pushed to raise his temper. For a minor matter of a school expulsion, well, I see him as being a little disappointed in Amanda because technically, she did break the law (even if it were a crap one).

    Yeah, it's stupid, but for those who read DF- could you see him doing anything else?

    Anyway, I've been lazy, so I'll go through Oz's corrections and upload this up to FF and PC tonight. I just got a whole slab of games (CoD4, CC3, Crysis), so I might be busy for a while, but I'll try to do some writing.

    Thanks for the reviews and commentary. It's quite appreciated, and it helps the Denarian series become the best that it could possible be.

    After all, a hundred heads are better than one.
     
  14. Jon

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    Notice shez has stopped denying that she is a girl? :D
     
  15. Aekiel

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    Notice that she is also teasing us with false updates >_>.
     
  16. Shezza

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    Listen to Aekiel, Jon. Listen carefully...
     
  17. Jon

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    I am 'listening/reading' carefully. ^_^
     
  18. Datakim

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    The thing is though, in both of these cases Harry was already carrying the sword. Having the sword literally tell Harry that "Hey! You are going to be attacked!" would have sucked. What I figured should have happened was for the sword to nag at Harry until he picked it up and generally make him carry it around in preparation for the attack.


    This works partially, but there is still the problem that the sword does work for Harry. I mean it worked with him when it blocked Voldemorts spells/attacks and saved his life so its hardly useless. I suppose it could be argued however that the sword is not going to excuse Harry's foolishness. If Harry wont carry the sword around of his own free will then the sword wont force him to. And if that means that Harry fails to kill the denarians then so be it, maybe next time he will know better.

    Though that still leaves the fact that Amaris was there too. The sword already warned Harry once already when she was in danger. And she did get sorta hurt/drained since Dumbledore had to heal her. This might have been prevented if Harry had had the sword.

    Still, I admit that this is not exactly a huge thing. It may be a minor plothole but it wont ruin the story for anyone :D. And Amateur writer or not, it is an awesome story! :)
     
  19. Vengashii

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    shezza, i herd u has hot pix. a/s/l?
     
  20. Oz

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    Am I the only one remembering the sunburn he gets when he uses the sword? <_<
     
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