Wait, was 25 the last episode of season 1? Because from the discussion here, the continuity is a bit lacking for me...

 

I wonder how the rest of his god-only-knows number of siblings would react. I actually don't think it'd be too big a blow to Britannia. He's pretty low on the totem pole, being dead and all.I think the Elevens would have a hard time trusting the progeny of their oppressor.

EDIT: Yeah 25 was the end of season one. We've been discussing Episode 1 of R2 (26 if you go off season 1)

 

I'm fairly certain that Vi had her memories modified... otherwise it hardly makes much sense – she's way too into her role as a gym teacher to be a spy.

Shirley? I don't know. She found out about Lulu, but she was acting like everything was normal.

This episode confused the hell out of me, because none of the characters are acting how they were before. Kallen was shocked about Zero's identity, and from the early episodes, I got the impression such a revelation would cause her much grief (she didn't get along well with Lelouch) and that she would join Suzaku (having seen Gundam Seed, it felt like the sort of thing Sunrise would do). Yet she's still subservient – which I guess is good, especially considering Lelouch – his memories gone – was willing to rescue her from being abused by the Britts at the party. Thus showing us that he's not lying when he says he's fighting for justice (he has his own ambitions, but he won't betray his words).

Suzaku really doesn't make any sense to me – he never did to begin with (pacifist ...that kills... and allies with his enemies?), but at least I could comprehend his motives. Did he crack from seeing his best friend's true colors? That's the only explanation that makes sense to me.

And who is Rollo? Lovechild of Suzaku and Lelouch? Why was he even created? What was the point in spiriting Nunnally away?

In other news, has anyone seen the new costume designs of C.C.? Hawt.

 

I've gotta say, the first episode confused me terribly. My number one question is-What the fuck happened in that cave? Who modified their memories. What do the others know?


Maybe I'm having a memory blackout, but I don't seem to remember there being any real conclusion for the cave stand off thingy.

Also, as to the discussions of a britt prince being Zero hurting the Order, I don't see how this could be a bad thing. He's a former royal who's family was killed (supposedly) by the empire, think about it. That'd be a huge blow to the britts who like to show solidarity in the face of their enemies. The only bad thing I could see would be his age working against him, and even that wouldn't be too hard to overcome.

 

Back again... @Chime

You're kind of missing the point of spying here, you HAVE to get into your role to be convincing. Though the idea of EVERYONE at the Academy having had their memories altered has crossed my mind.

Well she had pretty much made peace with it by the end of season 1 and now she's had another year ot get over it. Of course there's also memory alteration. (see above)

Memory alteration, year's time.

Well she initially suspected Lelouch was Zero and I always got the feeling she was disturbed that a Britannian could be so similiar to Zero which was the cause of the friction.

Kallen hates Brittania. She would never join them simply cause Lelouch was Zero.

Personally I thought he was more into it to take down the Black King then to rescue Kallen. But that's open to interpretation.

If Lelouch thought that it would help in Britannia's defeat he wouldn't give a second thought to breaking his word (except to Nunnally (Rollo?) ) And he's out for revenge. A revenge that nicely conincides with justice but revenge none the less.

EDIT: @Pyro:

We were thinking more along the lines of no one in the Order would trust him if his heritage was known. They would all think it some complicated Brittannian plot.

 

Mass memory aleteration is possible with the Emperor having a Geass ability, but I still think Viletta is merely pretending, though if it's for Britannia's sake or her own is still a question.

I agree that Lelouch will do anything to get the end result he desires, which is Nunnally's ideal world. He'd break his word and betray his comardes a thousand times if it would give him what he wants.

 

Goddamn it. VLC is being an asshole and I can't watch the episode.

Anyone here good with Linux?

 

I suppose you're right about the Black King thing, Kalas. I'm too favorable to Lelouch. Though, I guess from his body language, I got the impression he was concerned for Kallen's well being.

As for memory alteration... I think it will be Suzaku's ability – it only works once, probably. It'd be interesting if the Emp had it, since then he could falsify or cover up Lelouch's mother's death.

 

Here, use this. Direct stream.

 

I could be wrong here, but in season one on the submarine (I think it was a sub) when Zero was assigning jobs, didn't he reveal that he was a britt? Granted it's not the same thing as a saying "I'm a former prince of the empire I want to tear down", but it's still a big thing.

 

He did. They all know, and the main group knew long before that.

 

A thought just popped into my head, if we can reasonably assume that the emperor has a Geass as well, than is it possible that he forced Suzaku to kill his father and join the Britt army? Suzaku is supposedly a peace loving character, so killing his father and joining the army of all things (the one that ruined his homeland even more so!) just doesn't seem to jive right.

 

Suzaku's character has never made sense. Don't even try to come up with a way to excuse him

 

That'd be the point . His supposed morals are "peace for all"...So he kills his father and joins the army. That isn't just un-peaceful, he made peace his bitch.

Peace

 

I'm pretty sure that Suzaku is just a really screwed up person. He killed his father and joined the army oppressing his people for peace. That is probably the worst logic I've ever heard. Plus, Suzaku remembers killing his father but all actions done under Geass command aren't remembered.

 

Remember that Suzaku thinks the only way to effectively change the system is from the inside. That's his motive for Season 1, but I'm getting a different vibe from the newest episode.

 

Yes his motives are made clear through his long rants about change coming about the right way, but he's a moron. No ruler is going to give up his throne unless you tear it away from him. The idea of joining the army that is oppressing your people to bring peace is ridiculous no matter how you look at it. Of course I'm a bit biased because I've always despised Suzaku.

 

Quoted for truth.

Though trying to decifer Suzaku's mind set is a difficult, he wanted to change Brittanian's by living as an example they could aspire to. We all saw how well that worked out. Then Euphie gets killed and he goes a wee bit of the deep end.

 

Good point. Euphie's death definitely sent him off the deep end. The way he fought Kallen in episode 25 was brutal. Not to mention he looked crazy in episode 25. I'm completely surprised that Lelouch got out of that cave alive. Suzaku looked murderous.

Seeing Suzaku in episode 1 of R2, he looked more serious, but I want to see his temperment in battle. I'd also like to know if he knows that V.V. captured Nunnally, probably for the Emperor.

He's definitely a screwed up guy. I'm personally hoping he dies so I don't have to listen to his screwed up moralistic bullshit anymore.

 

What I'm really hoping to see is (around episode 23) Suzaku to something that seems perfectly reasonable to everyone but it gives Lelouch his chance to take down the Empire.

As for his death, a long epic battle between him and Kallen, then he gets shot in the back.