Can't we keep this conversation in the Knowledge is Power thread? FFS! You've had this debate at least 3 separate times on your thread. Enjoy the story and leave your goddamned morals for RL.

 

@MrJoe
A lot of people find it difficult to confront such things. As I mentioned in another post earlier in this thread, its a lot easier to ignore it and face it later, rather than out and out confront it. Hell, its not just easy, its human. She already knows how Bill would react, and that scares her and therefore makes her less prone to confess it.
And contrary to your awesome observation skills, Darren clearly did NOT state that it was her Veela genes acting up. In fact, he mentioned (in several paras) that she was confused as to whether she was truly attracted to him, or it was just the Veela side of her. That's another reason why she's reluctant to tell Bill.
And also, my good man, this may sound dumb and cheesy but there are about as many kinds of love as there are people. Different people love in different ways, and to different extents. Fleur loved Bill first romantically, then as a person she cared for. Fleur obviously cares for Harry, and now she's confused about the romantic love bit, while also confused if she still romantically loves Bill. Feelings like those generally tend to make one's head spin, resulting in her ignoring them altogether.

 

First paragraph:

While that plan works on paper, I find it difficult to believe that if my girlfriend felt attracted to another male, she would rush up to me and go:

"Oh, Darren! I appear to be having feelings for someone other than you!"

"Oh -insert name-, your honesty speaks highly of your character! I can not possibly have a problem with this, for you have told me before hand! Let us forget this and go out to dinner!"

"Oh, Darren! I knew you would understand if I told you!"

(deliberately mocking the situation for a reason - read next paragraph)

Approaching the subject would be bloody difficult. It would also be considerably awkward. Fleur isn't even certain of her feelings. Personally, I would want to soul search and find out for myself what's going on before, prematurely, telling my girlfriend or fiancee anything. Without the facts, the situation can get considerably screwed up. That wouldn't help in the least. Yes, not saying anything is not any better. Hence the situation. ArseNick understands the current situation quite well. Read his post.

One more point here I have to add is that Fleur is a flawed character. She can hesitate and make mistakes like anyone else. If she ran to Bill and told him what was wrong, everything would not be perfectly okay, because she still has these 'feelings' - real or genetics. If you expect that to be the solution... that's too perfect, too simple. Bill is still going to have a problem with Fleur having feelings for someone else.

Second paragraph:

I wasn't aware that a kiss was considered a sexual encounter... but that's pretty irrelevant in the scope of things.

Also, I'm not the one who has called you a 'missionary' or whatever. I merely disagree with your conclusions.

Fleur felt pretty guilty for screwing up her watch and letting Harry get put under the Cruciatus and, with no other thought in mind, slept in the same bed as Harry to try and help his recovery through taking his mind off the pain. It was only afterwards she started to feel something, which developed into the scene where they kissed.

Lead him on? She did nothing of the sort. In fact, she feels quite guilty about that possibility in the next Fleur/Harry conversation. And even before that is posted, in the scenes we're discussing, it is pretty obvious that Fleur didn't lead Harry on. She didn't throw herself at him, she didn't invite him to kiss her or anything. The only thing she did was sleep in the same bed as Harry.

Thid paragraph:

"I'm drawing my views and opinions form real life experience."

From one of your posts - page 23 in your story's topic.

"Of course, I'm not stupid enough to think that every girl is like that. Just like how every guy isn't a man-whore with pussy on the mind. What I AM saying is that, especially in schools (peer-pressure and all that bs), the ratio of 'nice' girls to 'easy' ones is around 1:3."

Same post. Conflicts a bit, but not my point of bringing them here.

Your experiences have lead to this conclusion. Fair enough. That is not the case for everyone else. My experiences have not lead to the same conclusion. Love is a confusing and complicated feeling, plain and simple. Therefore, dealing with it is confusing and complicated - my experience, at least - such as this instance.

I also said a 'generalization', not all. There is a difference, no matter how fine some may argue it to be. 3:1, by the way, is a pretty big number when you get to total female students. Hence, generalization.

Also, you have written that Fleur loves Harry. Where did I write that? The whole point is that she does not know how she feels about Harry - if it is love or merely genetics.

Fourth paragraph:

I intend to have Bill find out and, yes, he will react negatively. But then again, who does act positively to finding out their fiancee has feelings for someone else? He's not going to go beating up on her or selling her to Voldemort or some bullshit, if that's what you're implying.

Yes, she was unfaithful. I haven't denied that. I denied she was a 'slag', which is not defined by one accidental occasion of unfaithfulness.

Fifth paragraph:

As Harry is the focus of the story, yeah, he is going to be the one that Fleur finds herself attracted to. The role of genetics and the 'first' business in this is merely for the resistant males she encounters to be more enticing than others and the 'first' being more so. This is compounded by her rising friendship with Harry. Yeah, genetics did play a minor role, but, as explained in the fic, it is possible to resist it. She could have if she weren't curious. Hmm. Yes, her character is flawed. If you wanted her perfect, or any character for that matter, you were reading the wrong fic. Try fan girls.

Your mention of Harry throwing of the Imperius is, frankly, idiotic. Where was it written that Fleur's aura or some sort of compulsion was being used? Harry was under no compulsion except for regular teenager hormones. You know those? They can be quite hard to resist, especially when a bloody attractive woman is sleeping in the same bed as you. Fleur was not thinking of that when she chose to sleep in the same bed; her mind was rather preoccupied with making sure he would be alright after the Cruciatus.

Sixth paragraph:

So, Fleur can not be a flawed character without being a 'slag'? She can't make a mistake on her accord and can't be curious of something important to Veela - the first - without being labeled as such from a mistake, an accident? Riiiiight.

From my understanding of the term, a 'slag' is a someone who only cares about sex in a relationship. ... Hang on? I'm going to have to apologize, I think. That's exactly the character I made! All this trouble for a simple misunderstanding. Shucks. And we could've been best buds, too.

Seventh paragraph:

The word 'love' has not been thrown around loosely in this story. The only characters mentioned to be in love are Fleur and Bill. Yes, Fleur does love Bill. Circumstances lead to the situation we have here. Again, love is confusing and complex, and one can love someone even if they are attracted to another, and curiosity can be a surprisingly powerful force.

The rest:

Your opinion is fine. If you don't like her, that's fine. Just the same as some like your characters, and some don't. Personal opinion, naught more.


It is amazing how impassioned one can get when defended their work. This is probably going to read as a scathing comeback (and it does, after I've reread what I wrote)... and perhaps rightfully so, but the main point I want to end on is that if you want to bag a character, understand the character and the situation properly. From your post, you don't understand my Fleur, and therefore don't understand her state of mind and why she acted the way she did.

I do apologize for the tone, as I try to be the nice guy, but I can not help but be irritated by this.

That's all I've got to say on the subject, I think. If you still don't understand where I'm coming from with how I wrote my Fleur, then it is a hopless cause. Personal opinion, naught more, I suppose.

 

Human nature is to be polygamous. Fleur is just being human

It is possible to be in love with more than one person at once.

 

Regardless of how some feel about the tone of your response, scary, I'm going to have to admit I loved the way you described your Fleur's character. Very Nice. Now update the fucking story. =]

 

I never said it was unrealistic, I said I couldn't sympathize with her. I think I know fairly well how realistic such things are.

Many women in the same situation would have resisted, questioned themselves, gone on their soul search and confronted the situation - that's a sign of good character, I think. Of course, nobody's perfect, but my opinion remains - I still can't sympathize with her, when there are countless women out there who have been in the same situation, and done the 'right' thing (though, there are just as many who haven't).

Of course, it sounds funny to make fun of the idea to confront Bill about her feelings when you put it that way, sounds pretty stupid too when you put it the way you did (I can't be arsed going back and seeing which one wrote that hilarious little sketch).

I suppose, will it be any better than what will happen when Bill does find out?

He, of course, will be pissed off - but Fleur would not have done anything wrong by then, and then the ball will be in Mister Weasley's court.

As the author pointed out though, Fleur's character is flawed and 'human', so there's not much I can say on the issue other than:

I can't sympathize with her.

 

Internet. Serious business.

 

Internet memes. Massively overused.

 

Fuck Yeah Seaking!

 

For better or worse, this story is getting all sorts of attention.

 

Yeah, and that'd be good if Darren remembered that he promised an update LAST week >_>

 

Updated....Will give a review when I finish. If I finish.

 

Yeah, he's uploaded 3 chapters simultaneously. Make sure not to get caught out with that. Chapter 15 is where the new ones start.

 

3 updates at once?

That will shut people up for about a day.

 

You bitch. 3 updates and leave us hanging on the closure of he HP/HG/GW thing? Damn it, stop teasing.

Anyway Those 3 chapters apart from a few moments gave off a filler sort of feel for me. Can't wait for the next chapter though. someday soon would be appreciated.

What is it with Heur writers writing Fleur angst these last few weeks? I don't think she was the type to be angsty, though given her predicament I can ertainatly understand it.

 

While not a whole lot of plot movement in those 3 chapters, you have delved more deeply into the group psychology of the DA, with would seem to be of paramount importance to this chapter. They needed to see the world through Harry's eyes, to see if they were up for it.

Well done.

 

I've gotta say, I wasn't much of a fan of the update.

Chapter 15 was fine, if a bit empty of anything much happening.
Chapter 16 was yet another chapter of canon re-cap. That's the third one this story.
Chapter 17 introduced yet another subplot. I'll be honest - I skipped over massive amounts of chapter 17. My patience with all the other unresolved sub-plots is running out, and I had no interest in reading about a new one.

The characterisation was a bit painful to read, in that it was very methodical. Going through each character in turn, telling us their feelings and reactions. It was a bit essay-like really.

Firstly, let us consider Katie. Now, let us move on to Ernie. Finally, we shall take a look at Padma. Like that.

How the characters respond to situations should be smoothly and seamlessly woven into the narrative, rather than having events happen, and then every so often pausing and effectively saying "Right, let's take a break to step back and consider how everyone feels about this."

Neville asking everyone why they joined was also a tad over-obvious in that it was clearly an attempt for us to be informed of why everyone joined the DA for characterisation purposes. I skipped that bit too.

Sorry 'bout the rather negative review. I'm pretty impossible to please - I can always find something wrong.

 

No I liked it.

The Fleur situaton was sorted out very nicely and hopefully *glares at Darren* that will be the end of it.

Apart from Taure being lazy and not reading certain bits, it was very good. The canon rehash does need to be told in this fic. He didn't go into excruciating detail which is always a plus, rather he just summarized it. Try not to think of it asd one of a multitude of fics. Try to take it as it is. A damn good story.

Would they really follow him into war without knowing the full extent of what they were getting into? Maybe a few of them who are personally dedicated to Harry but others wouldn't.

Aside from that would Harry feel comfortable fighting alongside them if they didn't know what they were getting into? I doubt it.

You have very little right to leave a review if you skip parts of a chapter. If you can't get into it at all then the blame should be shared between both the author and the reader.

Why wouldn't Neville ask why the others are involved? If I was as invested in the war as Neville was I'd wan't to know why the people fighting beside me are fighting at all. In the end it comes down to trust. You can't just throw a group together and not expect there to be some friction.

The HP/GW/HG saga is coming to a close and thats good, I just think it's having a larger effect on the plot thats needed.

I'm just thankful that the 'Heur' bit is over. I pray to god that it's dead and buried but for some reason I doubt it.

 

Disagree there. Me skipping was the result of not enjoying it. I'm not going to force myself to read something that I don't enjoy. I then leave a review stating why I didn't enjoy it, and what parts of the story led to be stopping reading.

Not lazy. I just lost interest and enjoyment. If I sent you off to read a story you dislike - say, as an extreme example, a H/D slash fic - would you ceasing to read it after a few paragraphs of explicit slash count as laziness? No, you stopped reading because you didn't enjoy what you're reading.

Certain things, such as the canon re-caps, may have explanations behind them but you've got to remember that there's more to the art of story telling than writing a coherent and rational storyline. Yes, it's perfectly rational for the DA members to want to know what they're getting into, and Harry showing them his memories is a way of showing this. But reader interest has also got to be taken into account. It's just not good story telling to repeat the same stuff over and over again.