Some of you guys' speculations sound down right stupid. Personality changes? He gave him a fucking power, not a mental makeover. Mokuton? Itachi doesn't have it- damn sure can't give it to anyone else.

And for the record, if Sakure fought Sasori alone, she'd have lost horribly. You can't even really say Sakure even fought Sasori; she was simply a living puppet with a cure for a supposed incurable poison.

The sound five sucked, all their power was borrowed ('cept for Kimmy), and I think someone already mentioned the Konoha favored matchups.

And I understand your ire, but Sakura most definitely isn't stronger than Naruto. His fights may suck, but for anyone who can't tell the difference between clones, it's ipretty fuckin hard for them to beat Naruto. He may can't use the Fuuton Rasengan, but the original is more than good enough, especially if he can do it a thousand times in a row.

I don't know what to say about the Kakuzu fight... except that Team 10 sucks, they were afraid to go all out, and Kakashi's wastes a lot of Chakra using his sharingan... and he had two slaw-asses to worry about.

Naruto's a terror because all he had to do is hit you once. He can regenerate, he has more chakra than everyone, and he's deceptively clever... that makes for a powerful ninja.

I think that's all.

 

I'm gonna have to agree with the comment that Kardikek made a couple pages back. Why can't there be more actual ninja fights in this fucking manga. Use stealth and deception, and quit with most of the fucking jutsu. Jutsu are supposed to be tools that ninjas use to assist with their missions, but the mangas just become who has the bigger jutsu. The best way for this manga to end in my opinion is for Sasuke to just get stabbed in the back with a fucking kunai. And why the fuck would Naruto want to use power given to him by Itachi when he's always so reluctant to take power from Kyuubi. He just doesn't seem like the type of character who would borrow power. But I guess he is a character of Kishimoto and is subject to his fucking bipolar writing.

 

Actually, I think that Kisame has more chakra than Naruto. Even Pain mentioned that Kisame has more chakra than normal, even when compared to every S ranked ninja in Akatsuki. Not only that, but when Neji was fighting the 30% Kisame clone he said that he hasn't seen anyone with that much chakra since Naruto. So, if Kisame has as much chakra as Naruto at 30% then who knows how much he would have at 100%.

HOWEVER, Kakashi stated that Naruto has the potential to grow. Grow up to the point where Naruto has 100x chakra than Kakashi, and he is no lightweight in that department.

And yay for Cxjenious for being the only person, other than I, to see that Sakura didn't really beat Sasori....now that I think about I don't think we have seen Sakura fight on her own. Every time Naruto and company show up to fight she just hangs in the back while Naruto or someone else whoops ass. I am guessing that the Sakura arc is going to be her learning to be a fucking ninja.

 

To be honest, I'd rather keep her in the medic-nin role rather than turn her into another powerhouse. I'm pretty sure Tsunade said that a medic should not be the one to fight (though I may be confusing fanon with canon), and that it's only because of her freakish strength that she can actually fight to a decent degree.

It would be consistent at least, which is something this manga sorely lacks. Plus, if the only type of conflict in the damn thing is one that can be resolved with a knife to the throat it makes it all kinda boring. Sure, the various new jutsu we see are interesting enough (Amaterasu ftw), but that's pretty much all there is to fight scenes lately. I want to see some real story that doesn't around Sasuke too. Fighting would inevitably lead to him in some way.

Aekiel

 

lol, I know Itachi gave Naruto a "power". I mistakingly expressed my own desires and thoughts in a confusing manner. I don't want an uber powerful Naruto, who can spam Katon and Fuuton jutsu and Kage Bushin to his heart's desires (but damn, that would be a scary combo). I want a smart Naruto. Not Shikamaru smart, but a lot smarter than canon!Naruto. Which is why i wanted a personality change.

And I agree with you. Also, he already has a Fuuton: Rasengan, the main goal of the training. Most people gloss over it because it's incomplete and because of the Rasenshuriken.

But like I said, I just want him to be smarter in his usage of his techniques. Aside from creating a massive amount of clones and occasionally Clone Kawarimi, he kinda ignores the the potential ability of the Kage Bushin technique. Like the fact that he doesn't have to fight or charge in like a moron. Just let the clones do the work. You know, stand back, let the person engage the clones, and as one clone dies, create another one which results in an endless stream of fighting for the opponent. And when the person is tired, out of chakra, just hit them with the Rasengan or stab 'em with a kunai.

sure it makes for a powerful ninja, when used correctly. Naruto wastes his chakra even though his unnaturally high capacity balances that out. He regenerates only when he uses Kyuubi's chakra, otherwise it's an above average healing. And he's only clever (or acts like a ninja and uses his brain) when all his on the fly plans don't work.

 

1. Kyuubi chakra in his body for his use; he can regenerate, period.

2. His on the fly plans never work, so he's clever.


So there.

 

I know what you're saying, that his regeneration makes him almost invincible, but he can only regenerate when Kyuubi's chakra is used. So if another Kyuubi Suppression Seal is used, that ability is effectively canceled.

meh. moot point.

 

Actually, if you recall during the Wave Arc when Naruto got hit by the poison claws from the Demon Brothers his hand healed without using the Kyuubi's chakra.

To be more specific. He doesn't need to use the chakra to regenerate because the foxes chakra is constantly being filtered into his body. HOWEVER, remember that Kishimoto has 0 consistency, so chances are that whole Wave Arc hand healing seen was just a one time thing.

 

What he said.

 

you've brought up valid points, my good sirs. Now, let's see..

Hmm.He doesn't need to use it, huh? Hmm. The only counter-example i can think of is the instance where Sasuke's Chidori takes a chunk out of Naruto's shoulder. I doubt it would have heal as quick as it did without an active usage of Kyuubi's chakra.

I guess all we can say is:

1. Naruto has a healing/regeneration factor due to the mere presence of Kyuubi within him, mainly caused by the continuous mixing of their chakra.

2. An active use of Kyuubi's chakra + Naruto healing factor means even faster healing.

3. Just to add this in: It is not a conscious process started by either Kyuubi or Naruto. It's just a beneficial side effect.

 

I would say it is more of a product of the seal then anything, keep in mind that the Kyuubi's chakra actually damages Naruto's body the more he uses it, whatshisface was surprised that he was able to survive having four tails worth of the stuff.

If the chakra damages the vessel then it would make sense that the seal would do something to negate it, otherwise a vessel would not live long and would defeat its purpose, hence healing in response to the Kyuubi's chakra, the more of that chakra is used, the more the seal works to heal the damage. Healing wounds not caused by the chakra is just a side product.

 

In actuality, the seal does two, possibly three things:

1. Contain the Kyuubi's spirit
2. Split Kyuubi's chakra into two polars: positive or negative chakra.
3. Mix Naruto's chakra with Kyuubi's positive chakra while keeping the negative chakra locked away. (I wonder why Yondaime didn't completely lock away the entirety of Kyuubi's chakra. Maybe he knew about Madara and Akatsuki, and wanted to use the Kyuubi or Naruto as a powerful trump card...)

Now, chakra heals. but too much of a good thing is a bad thing. so when Kyuubi chakra heals Naruto, it does so on an extreme level disadvantageous to Naruto's body. It's the same effect with Tsunade's regeneration techinque. In the Naruto-verse, when you regenerate rapidly, you're damaging your body by shortening your lifespan. Because cells have a finite lifespan, the body's heavy regeneration when critically injured is shortening your life. in other words, rapid regeneration means you age faster and die earlier.

When in his tailed form, his body is encased in a red fox aura generated by the Kyuubi inside him. Even though the chakra protects him from outside harm, it is constantly damaging his body. It destroys the cells and then later regenerates them. At higher levels concentration, such as in the four-tails state, Kyuubi's chakra itself becomes poison to outside touch. Should flesh touch the burning Kyuubi form, it will be burned and poisoned by the chakra. Hence why Kyuubi's chakra is dangerous to Naruto.

BUT this leads to a plot hole, i think. if Kyuubi's chakra regenerates Naruto EVERY time he's injured, including injury from using the chakra, that means Naruto has being aging a couple of time units faster than normal. Now toss in 2 years of extensive training with the Kyuubi's chakra. Would that mean Naruto is a couple years older than he is in canon?

i know I kinda rambled and onto different tangents, but my main point is that it's not the seal that heals. it's Kyuubi's chakra.

 

Yes, but he also just had a hand shoved through his chest. The heavier the damage the heavier the chakra needed to heal the wound. The always present amount of Kyuubi chakra within Naruto will always heal him, even with the worst possible wound, but he would die before it was fully healed. Hence more Kyuubi chakra=Faster healing than Naruto is capable of healing normally.

 

Is this canon somewhere or what you think it is?

For instance, you say that chakra heals, but that is not true. It can be made to heal, with various techniques and possibly a bloodline, but if it heals automatically then everyone would have advanced healing and people like Tsunade, Kabuto, and Naruto would not be a big deal.Unless you mean just the Kyuubi's positive chakra that does this and not chakra in general minus Kyuubi's negative chakra.

But let me ask you, why the heck would the Kyuubi have a positive pole in the first place? It is a being attracted to human malice and has only been shown to cause destruction, if anything the so called negative pole would be the side that would heal the fox. There is no reason for chakra polarity when the creature in question has but one side of itself, malicious destruction.

Furthermore, if such a splitting occurred we would see the difference between the two poles, the negative is red, so the positive would be white or whatever. But we never see any visual evidence of this splitting.

What can be argued is a conversion of demonic chakra into human chakra and point to Naruto's unnaturally large stores of human chakra. But again, we know that there is no inherent healing property in human chakra, it needs to be directed by something.

This leads back to the seal directing the healing, with the probable purpose of countering the demonic chakra's corrosive properties.

 

That is from canon, actually.

It's not a plot hole though. A few cells aging faster in a hand or a foot won't matter much, but in the case of his four-tailed state, when blood is pouring through his pores; that creates the aging effect.

All the seal does is hold the demon inside.

 

it's all from canon. ask me what parts you think are made up and i'll show you where it is in the manga.

good point. But through out the manga, many important people have specifically pointed out Naruto's regeneration and it's relation to Kyuubi. The first mentioning was during the Wave Arc, when Naruto stabbed himself in the hand. Kakashi notes that the hand healed that quick because of the Kyuubi. Even the Kyuubi indirectly mentions this healing power, but that's debatable. But I digress. Agree to disagree?

About the splitting of Kyuubi's chakra in to Yin (negative) and Yang (positive): Link 1, Link 2.

about splitting chakra into Yin and Yang (at the bottom of the page): Link.

Ah, it needs to be directed by something. that's the key sentence. i can argue that Kyuubi is the directing force. It's Kyuubi's chakra and as you said before, chakra can be made to heal. Therefore, Kyuubi can make his chakra to heal Naruto, not the seal. the seal only does three things.

no, you misunderstood me. The plot hole is that Naruto maybe 2-3 years older than he says he is. He's currently 16. But adding in the aging effect from training with the Kyuubi's chakra for 2 years should age him by a year or two. But I realize that its not aging him, it's just cutting down his potential lifespan. So he's still 16 but has less time to live.

 

Err... to clarify:

Over production of cells destroys the blank AAAAA chains at the end of our DNA that stop us from getting horrible diseases. Each replication destroys a tiny bit of your DNA chain. When you get old, your cells have replicated so much that the DNA chain, the important part that is, starts getting destroyed in some cells. This causes Random-Old-Guy-Cancer/Dementia/Ect (or so many doctors propose).

I'm half talking out of my ass here, but the cell replication doesn't actually age Tsunade or Naruto, it just destroys their DNA, taking years off their life due to disease at the end of it.

 

Naruto won't live past 20. I just don't see him living to be Hokage by the end of the manga.

 

That much is pretty obvious. It is either him or Sasuke that die, or maybe even both.

 

Just had a thought. What are the chances that Naruto's mom is some sort of royalty or from a noble clan? She came from Whirpool Country. Her last name is Uzumaki. Uzumaki=Whirpool. Uzumaki Kushina=Whirpool Country noble clan? Maybe they were the Senju clan of the of the Whirpool country, the founders.