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Non-HP story idea I want to get some thoughts and opinions on

Discussion in 'Fanfic Discussion' started by Robo Jesus, Oct 24, 2007.

  1. Feoffic

    Feoffic Alchemist DLP Supporter

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    If you want to take the serious route then have him demand something of a political nature, such as the freedom of Naboo from the Trade Federation.

    If you want to take the whimsical route then have him demand something insanely stupid, such as the granting of freedom to all droids within the Corellia system so that they can found a Droid Nation.

    Question, what is Palpatine doing during all of this? He has the enemy to start his intergalactic war, though it is not the one he originally wanted but beggars can't be choosers, and he will also have the political clout to 'create' an army to go after this threat. The Jedi Council will probably support him, if only to get back their kidnapped kiddies and to find out who the hell the 'Butcher of Corellia' really is.

    In regards to allies for Anakin, how about the Chiss Ascendancy?
     
  2. Nefar

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    ^^^ Using the Chiss as meaningfull allies against any variation of the galactic government depends on where you want your fic to fall on the Sliding Scale of Realism versus Minimalism. If 0 is in the middle, Realism is -100, and Minimalism is +100, expecting the Chiss to be of any import on the galactic stage add +100,000,000,000 to the scale.

    If you'd like my advice: make something up. By the time of the Prequel Trilogy, the SW civiliization had completely explored and charted 3 galaxies, had companies that did business across at least 2 of them, and had over 10 million industrialized worlds with and additional 50 million settled dependencies. And yet we keep coming back to Tatooine. Please. Make up a new company, and new organization, or better yet, a number of these, that see possible political advantage in helping Anakin.

    Last note: HYPERSPACE ROUTES DO NOT EXIST. Even personal ships carry maps of the entire galaxy, and hyperspace travel is computed on the spot. Hyperspace is not a 'lane' drive, it is a 'go-anywhere-at-100-million-times-c' drive. The only way the Republic could lose the ability to freely go anywhere in space is to lose all their starmaps... at once... over tens of millions of planets... presumably hundreds of billions of libraries... quintillions of personal computers... you get the idea. And, even if you were far enough on the Scale towards Minimalism to write this, it could be solved in a week by deploying billions of probe droids throughout the galaxy, recording star/stellar mass positions, and correcting for stellar drift. Then again, that far towards the Minimalism end and billions would probably seem like too big a number.
     
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  3. ParseltonguePhoenix

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    I don't really have much thought to offer on this, because I'm too busy picturing what you're describing. Arc 1 looks the most interesting to me, and I'd really enjoy giving it a look. I'm not really a star wars freak, but I've read a few of the novels and seen all the movies, so I've got just enough background knowledge to be intrigued. So when are you planning to move into writing it all?
     
  4. Robo Jesus

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    Ahh, I meant a droid dressed up as Anakin. Just throw on a mask and hood, use a voice Synthesizer, and few will know the difference until they meet 'him' in person. I apologize for not making that clear. However, I think semi-serious is the best way to go. Make it seem like he wants something serious, but that he might have a 'few screws loose'.:lol:

    I know, I should be PUNished.:p


    The Jedi will be too busy focused on the 'Return of the Sith' to notice the Sith sitting in the seat of the Supreme Chancellor's Office.:p

    Palpatine had a ready made war beforehand. A war he had direct and total control over. While it's true that Palpatine will have his war, the fact that it's not being played on his terms will force him to take this far more seriously than he did the Clone Wars in the OTL. This in turn means that Palpatine will be able to get even more mobilization and war footing out of the Galaxy without the major political and internal hurdles he faced in the OTL, yet he faces even greater issues in regards to how this war will play out due to an enemy who can control Hyperspace Routes and steal planets, forcing the Republic to fight where and when Anakin chooses. Even with Anakin being a mediocre military commander, he will at the very least know how to delegate.

    It also destroys all of Palpatines premade plans on how to deal with the 'Rebellious Trade Federation' and the Jedi as well, making Palpatines job harder. Though it does give Palpatine the ironic title of trying to 'save the galaxy from the tyranny of the Sith'.:p

    I plan on getting some feedback from people who write major battles scenes, but what I see is Palpatine taking the initative of getting the warfooting going, but having no choice but to be reactive on when and where the Republic chooses to attack.


    The Chiss will be on the other side of the SW galaxy, and unable to do anything even if they wanted to, which they won't.


    Agreed.


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    Uhm, this story doesn't focus on Tatooine much at all. Did you read any of what was posted, or are you just a bit drunk at the time you posted this? Also, the SW has not yet gone extra-galactic yet. They are very much stuck in one galaxy.


    Actually, yes, Hyperspace routes do exist. This is acknowledged throughout all the classes of SW canon, from the movies, to the books, to the video games, to the comics. Hyperspace routes are the those places inbetween and away from major gravity wells. In fact, here's a basic SW map of some of the MAJOR routes. Link.

    Put some Gravity Wells in those lanes, and you shut them down and have to find routes to go around those Gravity Wells. Put a thousand Gravity Wells in those routes, and the entire sector needs to be remapped. Continue to move around Gravity Wells, and you've just killed Galactic Commerce and the ability to effectively go anywhere in the Galaxy using Hyperspace.


    Within a year to a year and a half. I'm currently working on a major story with an author over at the SpaceBattles forum by the screenname of Lightning_Count. I won't say much about the project beyond the fact that I created the plot behind it, and it will be called "Poetic Justice".
     
  5. Nefar

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    Tatooine was just an example. And as for the extragalactic thing, I can see why you are confused - lots of the EU make it seem as if even the main galaxy itself has yet to be fully mapped. However, two pieces of G-level canon defeat this idea: in AotC, when the Jedi librarian woman says "If it doesn't show up in the database, it doesn't exist" (paraphrased, but shows that they expect every single system in the galaxy to exist. Also note the two satellite galaxies purposely enlarged next to the main galaxy on the Jedi library map). The next piece is that the name of one of the founding members of the Confederacy of Independent Systems is the Intergalactic Banking Clan.

    Bluntly, that map is wrong, as it is contradicted by the highest levels of SW canon. And hyperlanes, as in preset 'superhighways' that everyone travels on do not exist. Hyperlanes in the sense of 'there are a lot of important planets along the way here, so people travel more-or-less along this line' are the only interpretation of the word that makes sense.

    Once more, there is G-canon level proof of this. If charted hyperspace lanes were the only way to travel, how did Obi-wan get to Geonosis - a planet whose coordinates had been removed? And take Episode 4. Do you remember Han needing the Millenium Falcon to calculate the path to Alderaan? Surely it wouldn't have taken so long if the computer merely had to call up a pre-set chart from the navicomputer.

    This shows a horrendous lack of comprehension of the scope of even a sector of the galaxy.Once more, you seem to think hyperdrives cannot go around mass shadows. From above, what was the Falcon's navicomputer doing? Plotting (in real time) a course around the stellar objects in its path.
     
  6. Robo Jesus

    Robo Jesus High Inquisitor

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    Bullshit. That quote was put there to show the arrogance of the Jedi, not to show that the Republic has every star in the galaxy mapped. In fact, a good third of the main Galaxy wasn't mapped by the Republic, as they didn't see a reason to go exploring the rest of it en mass. The issue in AOTC with that quote is that Kamino was within Republic space. Republic space was thoroughly mapped by the time of AOTC. Context matters.

    Besides, this is a story is based about characters and conflict, not about locales.


    Wait, what? Those galaxies aren't mapped though. They're background info, to show the known nearby galactic clusters. Knowing they're there and showing that they're there are very different things from saying that your average joe takes his vacations there. And Star Wars canon, all of it, still says your conclusions are flat out wrong regarding this.


    Obviously this puts a whole new spin on the 'Miss Universe' contest, now doesn't it?:p :rolleyes:


    Yes, that map and all the others like it, put out by Lucas Arts and acknowledged as canon is most obviously wrong. What's that, you have a bridge to sell me in New York as well?


    Yes, they do. I don't know where you're getting your information from, but it is wrong on a massive scale. Hyperspace routes are any areas free of Gravity wells. Major routes are large areas free of disruptive gravity wells. The fact that there are almost direct lines that are free of gravity wells that run from one end of the galaxy to the other makes those major routes for trade and travel.


    Yes, a small out of the way sector that had the data regarding a few worlds removed is so massively going to change the entire hyperspace routes of the entire galaxy.:rolleyes: Even with the info regarding a single system removed, the rest of the information would still remain, making the plotting of courses able to be done in the course of a few minutes to a few hours (the time it takes depends on how much info you have on the area ahead of time in conjunction with the computer you're using, and whether or not you have to send Probes out to scout routes and send back their info). In fact, all you would have to do is this.

    "Assume a single standard life bearing system has been removed from the star maps here *point to an area on map*. Add in a system in this location, and plot viable routes."


    Yes, it would. You still have to figure out where you are in relation to where you are going, as well as if there is anything that is going to be in your way. That's how navigation works. Shit like that should be common knowledge.


    Actually, you have a bit of a point here. Pirates for example are known to Move large gravity wells in the known routes in out of the way areas. This is no big deal, as it's just one area you'd need to go around. However, I don't think you understand that this is happening on a galactic scale. It's not one change, but hundred of changes. And you need to know if they're there, as hitting unexpected gravity wells can do everything from fucking up your hyperspace engines to outright destroying your ship. Even a single change on a major Hyperspace route that causes an hour or two delay will affect galactic trade on a massive scale. If you have a hundred changes, and you don't know where they are, you need to spend the time remapping that area again so you can safely travel.

    If the locations of those gravity wells end up changing again and again, safe travel through that area becomes impossible. You can still take the risks anyways, but it's not considered a smart, safe, or sane thing to do by the Galaxy at large.
     
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