Other relationships? Are you kidding me? It is obvious that Harry was so in love with GinGin that the moment he set eyes upon her after killing Voldemort the "monster" was freed and they were the perfect golden couple.

I hate the epilogue, but unlike some of you I like all the books. In fact I think the whole Hallows thing is quite good.

 

I don't think they minded to much. Since Voldermort was "defeated". Voldermort probably had a stranglehold on the Bank at that time. And they wanted freedom from him. But, I believe that Griphook was the only Goblin to know what The Trio did. But, he is more likely to be pissed at the fact that the sword, he was supposed to recieve, was taken from him. I wonder if he every got it back.

 

I suspect you mean 'stranglehold'.

Somehow I doubt it.

It would seem that Godric, in addition to being brave and noble, as the Gryffindor stereotype goes, was also fairly cunning and sly. In the age when he was alive, there was certainly plenty of violence and obviously a sword was a handy thing for even a wizard to own, or else he wouldn't have carried one. At the very least, carrying a sword like the muggles would help you fit in, which saves you a lot of hassle.

If you need that sword, getting it stolen by captors or thieves is a bad thing. Apparently, in a very smart and cunning move, Godric somehow magically tied the sword to his hat. If you were captured (or burglarized), you can bet that what would get taken first is your fancy, bejeweled, expensive, goblin-wrought, magical sword. But what are the odds that they're going to steal your ratty old hat?

This way, even if someone relieved him of his sword, all he had to do was wait a while, reach into his hat, and there was his sword again. That's brilliant, and it's every D&D player's dream.

 

Godric's Hat, +2 INT, +1000 BADASS.

 

She's a Literary George Lucas. Ruining great works since OotP.

QFT. I almost believe that a ghost writer did the first 4 books, since I consider the last three to be utter tripe.

And don't even get me started on the pairings, and the utter lack of Harry ever showing anything more competent than a Patronus charm.

And how fucking twisted is that? Snape abused the hell out of the son of a woman he supposedly loved. And NEVER gets called out on it. Harry apparently is completely able to forgive Snape for being an utter and complete bastard and Mom-Stalker.

I think there is something in Weasley DNA that once you kiss one of them, you're forever more bound to them as a slave, no matter how many better options there are for you out there.

 

i fucking agree with you, GInny/Harry and Ron/Hermione are absolute crap, and can only exist with Love potions, as well as Biil/Fleur, that pairing is kinda sexist, basically saying that the man's man get the hottest women in the story. she's basically saying to little girls everywhere "yes sweetie you can have your prince charming" Ron/Hermione sucks as, because: A. Ron has a huge ego that continually gets punctured by the fact Hermione is smarter than him. "the Lie i'v lived" shows a pretty good portrayal of Ron screwing Harry over in the story. i always preferred neville over Ron. also on the Patronus Charm thing, i see 3 possible explanations: 1. Harry's magic was crippled by the AK curse on Halloween. 2. Harry's powers were bound by his parents to prevent heavy accidental magic, and with their death, became permanant. or 3. the Hocrux crippled Harry's magic far too much, like the diary.

1. Oh so fucking true. i read a ff story once where harry condems both Albus and Severus after Ginny tries to poison him and his kids, and doesnt succeed with him. Harry goes Hermione on the Ministry records, intent on going back in time and changing thingsl. he then condems albus and severus to eternal hell, and uses the Hallows to go back in time to set things straight.

2. Personally, i'd go with Love Potions, on both Hermione and Harry. the only pairing i think make sense, for the both of them, would be Hermione/Krum and Harry/anyone but Ginny/Hermione

 

Fail. Filler filler.

 

Agreed. I can never understand why;

1) Harry can forgive Snape for what he did (both to himself, and his mother)

2) How people can even try to make him into a 'nice' and 'caring' person. The only thing JKR got right in DH, in my humble opinion, was the characterisation of Snape. He is a complete and utter bastard. No doubt about it.

I've just been reminded of the epilogue, and now I'm upset. Once more I've been shown the downfall of a series which held so much premise; imagine the world of Harry Potter, with all the many possibilities, in the hands of a competent author. I will admit, I enjoyed the first 5 books greatly, the sixth to a degree once I edit out the fail, but honestly, the best bit of Harry Potter was the idea itself.

Tolkien created his own world, religions and languages; JKR imposed a magical world against a normal one, a world with near limitless possibilities. And what did she do with it? Follow the tale of a dim-witted pussy who couldn't even find the will power to study or train when faced with near-death situations nearly every few months. Personally, I would have preferred 'Harry Potter' to have actually not existed, and rather the series follow the life of one Albus Dumbledore (minus the homosexuality, please) or even Tom Riddle. But hey, that’s what FanFiction is for, right?

Well, rant over; I need sleep.

Dark-Stallion.

 

A sole redeeming note on the Epilogue ending which, while made of fail, also neglects to mention one important aspect for post-DH fanfiction. Nowhere does it say that Harry and Ginny are still married. Aside from a few brats and a cordial manner there's nothing still tying them together.

But, for the reasons so aptly discussed in this thread, I do try and forget about it's existence altogether as part of DH.

 

And of course, for some reason, Hermione and Harry do not speak to each other. Only through Ron. Which one would expect, having her married to a jealous arse like Ron Weasely.

 

I'm still confused by one thing in the epilogue, though. Wasn't the Sorting Hat supposed to be a surprise to all the first years? In the first book, I believe Ron is spouting troll nonsense (but then again, this IS Ron...) and everyone's super nervous and surprised when they see a singing hat. But in the epilogue, Harry has no qualms about refering to it casually and it gives the impression they've spoken about it before.

What's up with that?

 

This is one thing I have a problem with- criticisms that have no basis in the books but so many believe are true. Nowhere does it say Lily and Ginny look alike. One has auburn hair and green eyes. The other has flaming red hair and brown eyes. If having two different shades of red qualifies two people for look-alike status, then we could argue Harry and Snape are mirror fucking images.

 

No just no. Do you not get that the most likely reason she had Harry look like his father and get together with a redhead was a way to have a scene at the end which shows what life would have been like for Harry without the evil taint of Tom? Therefore, she meant for them to look like Lily and James in all likelihood.

I've noticed that you seem to center the majority of your posts around defending Ginny. Go back to Mugglenet where you can look at a picture of Bonnie Wright while participating in a circle jerk.

 

OFT Not much needs to be really said.

 

*sigh*

Your fanboy rage is at a nine, we need you at about a four. There's all kinds of reasons to hate Ginny without "she looks like Lily". Hell, with this crowd that'd be a point in her favour.

 

You don't think it's at all odd that they state the resemblance between Harry and James over and over again and never state one between Ginny and Lily? JKR ain't exactly subtle.

But then again, I am speaking to a fucking retard:

http://forums.darklordpotter.net/showthread.php?p=115744#post115744

http://forums.darklordpotter.net/showthread.php?p=127333#post127333

Only posts where I refer to Ginny. Notice how I state twice in the first one I don't particularly care for her(though with a low level of invective and no profanity, hence it flying over your head), and if I had been a little more honest about the second one you might have understood me a little better: I was really thinking "What kind of a pathetic shut-in virgin do you have to be to find someone who dates as much as Ginny did in canon a slut?"

I'm just not into disliking anything or anyone for intellectually dishonest reasons. There are perfectly valid reasons to dislike her, but sometimes people reach a little too much.

 

You started a thread about Ginny, and it is the only thread you have started on this forum thus far, and you are telling me you don't care about Ginny.... As for your comment about JKR never mentioning that Ginny looks the same well she didn't mention Ginny much at all so that maybe why well that, and it would have been an idiotic thing to mention in a children's book. She had enough problems with the church as is without people trying to say she is encouraging marrying people who look like your mom. Tehan, makes a perfectly good point. Even I enjoy a good Harry/Lily fic, and I don't like redheads.

 

Dislike is an emotional response as much as it is a rational one. You don't need a reason to justify your dislike of something. I'd like to see someone find a rational reason for disliking a certain food.

 

Read the thread- it was simple curiosity- the gist of it was "Could ginny have been more palatable to the DLP folks if there was more of a setup to her character?"

It's not the big a stretch for anyone to make such a thread, given how most people who don't post here, if you ask them what the first thing that comes to mind when you say "DLP" would be "They REALLY hate Ginny." Then my first day here, like I stated in that thread, I read a post where someone simply said "We hate her because her character came out of nowhere." No one contradicted this person. So that got me really wondering. I did say in that thread the things I don't like about her character.

BTW- if I wrote an AU fic, getting Harry together with Ginny would be the last thing I do- I'm a big believer that disappointment is part of life and largely good for you, so I wouldn't pair Ginny off with her dream guy.

That's true to a point. When people start saying "she's a slut because of all the guys she dated." That's ridiculous- She dated three guys starting when she was 14, the first two relationships lasting a year before the breakup, and she married the third. Most popular girls do that, and at that age it's pretty normal to get over a relationship ending pretty quickly. My own sister has a nearly identical record, and she sure as hell ain't no slut.

I AM NOT DEFENDING GINNY- I am criticizing the criticism. When I see someone say that, I think "You know when you were in high school you wanted to bone the girls who dated that much." The girls that do that are the hottest and most popular, so they have a line of suitors just waiting for her to breakup so they can swoop in, so with many to choose from, of course they're apt to start dating quickly.

That's why it irks me a little- most people who would say that about a fictional character they hate probably wouldn't say that about a real woman who did the same thing. I can't imagine getting so irrational over a fictional character. Whenever I read someone saying that, I always think "you don't really believe that, do you? Because if you apply that to real life, you would have to paint a good number of people with the "slut" brush." If, on the other hand, one doesn't believe that, it just comes across as an idiotic statement. I know someone said here once that Ginny was making out with Dean in that hallway so Harry would see them. They sincerely believed this, no one called them an idiot,which is why I don't just blow off that statement.

Actually, the idea that Ginny dated Michael and Dean for as long as she did is the unrealistic part. Relationships at that age end very quickly and it can happen at any time for any reason- Ginny being shut in at Grimmauld Place all summer should have that to a crashing halt, since they established the two started dating before the end of the school year. Generally, based on my experience and the experts I've heard, you're not really ready for a real relationship that has any hope of lasting until you're 16 or 17. I know I inwardly groaned when I found out a girl I knew since we were little kids married her boyfriend, who she started dating when they were both thirteen. I doubt that lasted too long. The psychological implications of this would make a better fic than one with slut!Ginny if written by someone who knows their stuff when it comes to psychological development and relationships.

EDIT: The Automerged Doublepost feature is fuckin' awesome!

 

Actually, I think you will find in smaller communities this doesn't work out that way. I can name at least 3 people who started dating their 8th grade year and are still together that were in my class, and I am in college now. Those are the only three that I know of that lasted, but the majority of the people I went to high school with (at least the attractive ones) tended to have relationships that lasted a minimum of 8-10 months even when they were freshmen though the average was two years. Given the size of the magical community, I find it quite realistic that she would date for prolonged periods of time, and if you consider the type of society the magical community is then I think it may perhaps be safe to say that many people have few relationships at least in public. They seem a bit archaic that way, but then again so do the majority of people in small communities. Hell, I can think of 6 girls from my high school that are still virgins, and they are in their 20's and in college which I find to be very weird. My point being that small communities are not always the most modern of places either that, or I grew up in a weird place.