We know Harry had a Hocrux in him curtesy of Voldemort. (or is it merely Hocrux-like?) I've been wondering what would have happened had Harry died earlier in the series say around Book 1 or 2 and came back without the Hocrux.

Any Ideas?

 

Had Harry died before book 4 he wouldn't have come back at all. It was Voldemort taking on his blood that made Voldemort a quasi-horcrux for Harry.

Even then its not certain he'd come back. It took that, plus the fact that Harry was the true master of the Elder Wand (which cast the Killing Curse which hit him) and the fact that he was making a willing sacrifice to bring him back.

And even then it wouldn't always work. JKR wrote on her site that it's not a matter of blood+wand+sacrifice = come back to life. The same circumstances could happen again and it not work, apparently.

And yeah, Harry's not a true horcrux for Voldemort, merely horcrux-like, because Voldemort lost his body before he could complete the process.

 

Damn, thanks for taking the time to post anyway Taure. Might as well get to work on my Post-Last Battle idea, seeing as that one makes more sense.

 

I find the concept of Harry losing that small bit of Voldemort's soul earlier very interesting. But as Taure pointed out, that's not gonna happen in a way that parallels canon events, because Harry's resurrection during DH was essentially a miracle.

Any ideas, outside of contrived purification rituals?

 

A Dementor sucks it out during PoA.

Diary!Riddle feeds on it to bring himself back to life when Harry enters the diary in CoS.

Something involving the Mirror of Erised.

 

The idea for loss-of-Harry-horcrux-to-Diary!Riddle would be fun to read if a talented author took it up. Then again, so would the bit with the Dementors.

 

I have already seen the "dementor sucking it out" idea in at least one timetravel fic.

Another possibility could be basilisk's venom dropping on his scar or Gryffindor's sword with the venom. It would affect Harry as well, but with a phoenix at hand healing the wound is easily done.

A totally different idea I once had was to use a dementor to suck out Voldemort's soul. It should be possible, but what would happen with the Horcruxes? Could they survive on their own? The diary could, and the locket seemed to have similar abilities.

 

It’s been done here: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4240771/1/Partially_Kissed_Hero and probably in a dozen or so other stories. A Dementor sucks out Voldemort’s soul particle. The concept itself doesn’t sound that interesting because it always has to be coupled up with something like getting Voldemort’s memories to make any impact. And that’s really crappy storytelling in my opinion. Unless it’s done really well, it would be pretty dull to read about a Harry with the knowledge of a Dark Lord appearing suddenly in his head.

 

I wonder how Harry-Voldemort connection would work if Harry was more like Tom Riddle (without his "pure" soul and blah blah blah..) Dumbledore himself stated in DH that

I am also curious about what would happened if Harry dabbled in Dark Arts? Obviously that would happen extraordinary more quickly

but to what end?

 

Horcruxes thrive on negative emotions. They can feat on Ginny's insecurities, along with Ron's jealousy and inferiority.

But Harry isn't exactly a normal receptacle. However, I've often wondered if the connection didn't grow stronger only because of Voldemort's resurrection, and if Harry's temper problems during OoTP didn't also help tremendously with that.

 

This post made me think, what if the crudely cut off piece of soul, given that Voldemort didn't really have a chance to split the fracture well after the murder, was bonded with Harry and combined itself into Harry's developing soul.

Probably already done somewhere, I guess.

 

Maybe, maybe not, I had thought of writing something like this, but in the end it came out as Malfoy! Harry. Something I'm toying with now is Harry taking a cheap shot at Voldemort in the Ministry duel and taking out the body. Dealing with the reprucssions and aftereffects of him killing Voldemort for a second time, collapsed Death Eaters organisation after getting the Inner Circle at one fell swoop, and an earlier Hocrux Hunt.

 

Ooooh, I like that idea Hashasheen. Sounds like a damn lot of fun.

 

I know this is probably pointless, but you're calling them Hocruxes instead of Horcruxes. Also, referring to your plot bunny, how is Harry supposed to land a cheap shot when he is outnumbered and in a place that he has never been before against a person with more resources and talent than him?

It's not that I wouldn't read your story--although you've made a whole hell of a lot of mistakes in this thread (English is not your first language, correct?) so maybe I wouldn't read it--but it just seems like a "deux ex machina" if Harry kills Voldemort with a lucky strike.

 

Maybe it would feel less easy if the reason why Harry is able to get the potshot in is because Voldemort successfully kills Dumbledore and is distracted.

 

Was he outnumbered at the end of OOTP when Dumbledore and Voldemort duelled? I thought it was just him, the aformentioned and Bellatrix. All he has to do is take a shot with Voldemort distracted and thats it. Conversely, Bellatrix could do the same to Dumbledore, which does seem more reasonable...

I'm Arab and English is a second language I've been working on, along with Latin recently. One of the reasons I joined was to get more input on grammar and such, since my classes in English usually didn't explain grammar pretty well.

As for the duex ex machina, I'm aware that it seems like a one in a million, but for most of the duel, Voldemort was focused on dealing with Dumbledore, and it could have been a fatal mistake had Harry gotten himself together and did something. Even Priori Incantentum would have helped, allowing Dumbledore a free shot to kill the current body.

 

The idea of Harry getting a lucky shot isn't that far fetched. Imagine as the aurors and ministry officials storm the room Voldemort hits kills Dumbledore and Harry grief stricken tries his hand at yet another unforgivable. Voldemort has his back turned and gets blasted into a million pieces. Body needs to be destroyed so you can easily tie in the possibility that he's not dead. Harry is hailed a hero, once again and its only after things start to die down that Harry starts to realize that Voldemort's not nearly as dead as he needs to be.

 

That would be pretty good--Dumbledore never explained to anyone that there are Horcruxes, and now he is dead. Voldemort is killed in front of the Ministry, and now they believe him completely finished. Harry, soon after the battle, realizes that he can still see visions of Voldemort and he knows that they are real. The Ministry turns on him once again because he keeps claiming that Voldemort is alive, while they saw him dead, and none of them have information on Horcruxes either.

That would be a completely original Horcrux hunt

 

Solid ideas, except Harry should be intelligent enough to not share the visions with the MoM, after what happened last time around.

 

Oh shit. I can just imagine him going through his sixth year, continuing the DA or something, and then the Ministry trying to keep up with him as he prepares for the Horcrux hunt. Seems like a good way into Independent!Harry--kill off all the influences and let him control his own destiny. Dope.