Took my words there Howdy.

 

New guy... remember the gay flashback? The people love Naruto. They won't turn on him because they refused to give up his location.

Note: Capitalize your i's.

 

Touchy much guys.

Is everyone purposely missing the point. It was with regards to Hokage.

If doing the best against Pein and thereby being stronger than Hatake Kakashi was the only requirement then I suppose yes, you bastards, yes. Naruto FTW and whatnot!

I suppose levity has no place in Naruto Manga Discussions.
Why, you make one crack about Lord Voldly in Konoha and the natives get all cranky.

CHOUJI FOR HOKAGE!

Yeah, I remember that. Those were ninja refusing to give up Naruto's location, not exactly all of 'the people'.

I was referring to the majority of the population; the multitudes who held him in contempt in the beginning. In any case, even if everyone accepted Naruto it still wouldn't appease me if only for the fact that i'd find it completely nonsensical.

I guess i'm just a bit cynical, I don't think that's how people work. Yes, know its just a manga but i just thought i'd share my thoughts. No one has to agree.

Feel free to ignore the new guy.

New guy out.

Oh yeah, I'm always lazy about the i's. Shift key seems so far at times.

 

Luckily they're not ninja, so therefore don't matter.

Just like muggles don't matter in the HP universe.

 

While I agree that those who are not ninja have no say in who becomes the next Hokage, it's foolish to say that non-ninja don't matter. If ordinary people were powerless against ninja, then shinobi wouldn't be renting their services to the highest bidder, they would rule everything.

 

Have you not seen what the ninja in this manga do?

 

Non-ninja must have some way to fight against ninja as otherwise ninja would rule. Remember that Sand decided that destroying another hidden village was a more viable option than simply taking over their own country. And that was when the Wind daimyo was the direct cause of their problems.

Of course, it is likely that they don't have any way to fight back and it's just a gigantic plothole...

 

^ Samurai that use chakra? I mean monks already use it....so who says samurai can't?

 

They do rule everything.

When have you ever seen a daimyo make an actual decision? Kage are the military rulers of their countries. Rain doesn't even have a daimyo, Pain is the god-king - the absolute authority there.

All the daimyo does is allocate funding, but as you've said the only country that that has ever been shown to be an issue in is Wind. If the Kazekage tried to overthrow the govenment then the daimyo would simply hire a different, stronger village to run the Sand ninja out.

There is no effective non-ninja military arm in the Naruto world. The ninja are the professional soldiers, period.

Anyone who uses chakra is a ninja in the Naruto world. That's pretty much the only defining feature of a ninja.

A samurai who uses chakra would simply be a ninja with a sword. We've seen plenty of those, now haven't we?

 

You cannot hire anyone if you are dead. There must be a reason why Sand didn't just send a batallion of jounin to slaughter the daimyo and his court.


EDIT:

Orochimaru said that a ninja is someone who uses ninjutsu. Besides, chakra-using monks are mentioned in the manga. I once wrote a Naruto fic where ninja where those few born with the ability to use handseals to mold chakra. While everyone could learn to use chakra, only ninja could use ninjutsu and genjutsu.

 

Someone would step in to pick up the pieces with that much unrest going on. The daimyo probably has his own ninja bodyguards that would make an assassination difficult, just like the Fire daimyo did.

It's not so simple to kill a country's leader as you propose, and Suna was never depicted as one of the stronger villages. Fact is that it's the weakest we've ever seen, Rain included. The instability that an insurrection would cause would allow other countries to step in and take over, just as the Uchiha insurrection would have incited in Konoha.

It's not easy to kill a daimyo. There's a reason why Kisame is such a badass.

 

I'm fairly certain that Konoha has more ninja than the Wind daimyo...

 

I think that Kishi mentioned in an interview somewhere that the Hidden villages are independent powers from the countries they reside in. I think a Kage and a Daiymo have a partnership of some sort. Most likely an agreement made during the founding of the villages era.

Maybe something like; in payment for allowing village independence and sanctuary within the country they are the Daiyamo's military arm.

Now, as for the Wind Daiymo there's not a lot to go on. We know he was crippling Suna by turning away potential clients to rival villages somehow. How he did it is unknown. I could've swore it had something to do with money.

 

That's what i thought the situation was as well.

You guys ever seen the shippuden filler-episode with Sora or whatever the kid's name was?
The kid who apparently had some of the Kyuubi's chakra trapped within him.
They had the 12 ninja guardians in it as well.
Apparently four of these guardians happened to be 'the best lightning users ever' and they could do a technique that would destroy Konoha instantly.

Stuff like that just makes you wonder. Shinobi wars and conflicts drag out yet the Daimyo had four ninja who could destroy a village with one technique all along?

Anyways, the gist of it is: Some random Necromancer summoned the dead bodies of these warriors (in a very Orochimaru-esque way).
His whole argument was that fire nation should have one ruler. The Daimyo. There can't be two kings he said. He wanted to kill the Hokage but then decided it wouldn't be enough since Hokages can be replaced, he thought he'd just go ahead and destroy Konoha.

What i got from it was that the Hokage and Daimyo exist as separate powers, though, through some agreement ,the Hokage acts in the best interest of the Daimyo and fire country.


I might be wrong.

It goes one for a few episodes and can be quite boring at times by the way.

 

You've got to be kidding me. You're using filler material to make a point.

That's just... no.

(I do understand the point you're trying to make. And I half-agree and half-disagree with it. But, filler? Seriously?)

 

In the chakra-using monks issue, wasn't Asuma one of them and weren't they the official bodyguard of the Fire Daimyo?

 

To make a point? Gods no...

I'm far too lazy to be point-making about something so pointless.

Was just wondering if anyone else had seen it and what they'd thought about it. As in, is it Narutoverse law by Kishi-sama himself? Or was it Anime makers taking creative liberties?

Seriously, its too early for bickering.

I haven't even had breakfast yet dattebayo!!

 

Anime filler is completely disconnected with the manga canon. Nothing seen in the anime can be used to support a theory, really.

Even in canon manga events, like the VotE fight, the anime manages to royally fuck everything up.

"My Sharingan can see through your Kage Bunshin."

No it can't you moron.

There are only three canon ninja with village destroying potential - Nagato through his Six Paths of Pain, Madara through his Kyuubi control, and Deidara with his C0.

As far as the economic issue is concerned, yes the daimyo is in charge of supplying funds to the ninja village and can stir up trouble by denying those funds in the case of Wind Country. However, the Kage is the supreme military commander in his country. He decides how to act militarily and when to go to war. When a peace treaty is signed it is done so in the country's Hidden Village, not in the capitol.

 

Lol, if I ever wrote an HP/Naruto crossover, it would have Voldemort get his ass kicked by the Konohamaru Corps. Seriously. Also, I think Kisame has legitamite village breakig potential via simply drowning it.

 

A lot of you guys talked about Naruto's small technique repertoire, but Kishimoto said in an interview that during the three year training trip, Jiriaya taught Naruto ALL of his techniques save for Sage mode. I'll see if I can dig it up later for Hard Proof.