That's a Kiri ninja.

And he's the man.

 

I thought that the Hyuuga's had safeguards to prevent them from being taken. The caged bird seal and what not.

 

The head family doesn't, and Ao seems to have been around the block a few times. Perhaps he got it from one of older heads?

 

Why would it? and that's not Kumo, that's a Mist nin.

 

The seal destroys the bloodline if the wearer dies. You just have to take the eye while the Hyuuga is still alive.

 

Another point regarding Byakugan boy, why couldn't he see Zetsu before he emerged from the floor? The Byakugan can see through physical objects and see the chakra inside a person, so why couldn't he spot him and warn the rest?

Also, I've been thinking a bit on the various doujutsu and a totally retarded (and probably very accurate) idea came to mind. What if the Sharingan, which is supposedly related to the Byakugan in some way, was the result of the Rikudou Sennin doing the dirty with a Hyuuga?

Looking at it metaphorically, the Byakugan sees solely the physical world (seeing through objects, 360 degree vision, the chakra pathways in a person's body) while the Rin'negan sees solely the spiritual world (according to Howdy's theory anyway, which I think is quite probable since all of the jutsu he uses can be typically taken as extremely advanced forms of normal schools of jutsu use such as puppetry and mind reading), so would it make sense that since the Sharingan sees both a measure of the physical and spiritual worlds (seeing through illusions being physical and copying jutsu being spiritual, as examples), but not to the extent of the other two doujutsu, that it could be descended from them both.

 

Because Zetsu likely wasn't lurking in the center of the floor for exactly that reason? He probably traveled there after Madara's signal.

As for the Sharingan... I don't care for the theory, seems to contrived, but it honestly wouldn't surprise me.

 

For the same reason why Neji didn't see Naruto burrowing through earth. He simply wasn't looking. To my understanding Byakugan doesn't automatically see through stuff, and even if it does, objects you are not focusing on are going to be very blurry.

 

Seriously, is everyone getting an eye infection on this manga now?

 

Zetsu moves really, really fast.

And I'm of the opinion that Rikudou Sennin had the first bloodline limit, and the rest evolved as ninja evolved. It makes no sense to me that bloodline limits existed before ninjutsu did, because if that were the case how would people know to use them?

Keep in mind that Rikudou Sennin lived literally thousands of years before the present point in time.

 

Hey just a quick canon question for a bunny that's been hopping around. Besides feeling anger towards his clan for 'throwing him out' did Madara state any other reasons for helping Itachi in the Uchiha Massacre?

 

What exactly are Zetsu's powers? Do you think we will get to see a significant fight from him?

 

No. He wasn't designed to be a fighter. He's a recon specialist.

 

Not really, but a valid reason could be that he didn't want people that could control his pet Kyuubi alive. As we've seen from Sasuke, Madara isn't the only one capable of that feat.

IMO, I think any one with a Sharingan can control the Bijuus, even Summons are susceptible to it's Hypnotic ability (i.e. Sasuke controlling Manda).

 

Agreed, it would be too convenient if it only worked against the Kyuubi. Though that would beg the question of why he didn't suppress Killer Bee's demon.

 

Because as wtf!pwn as his sharingan is, he's never had anybody but Kakashi teach him the nitty-gritty little tricks and specialties the sharingan possesses. I don't think the Uchiha would share their bijuu-hypnosis with Kakashi, and thus Kakashi couldn't share it with Sasuke.

When he sharinganed Manda, I was under the impression it was a panicked effort on his part. Maybe he just thought the Hachibi was a bit too much for him to handle when his life wasn't on the line?

Or maybe Kishimoto just dropped the ball on that one.

 

Fortunately, that's the canon.

Madara could control the Kyuubi, and was the only one who could to the extent that he did (I'm still under the impression that Hashirama could subdue the bijuu but not command them as Madara could the Kyuubi).

There are no other Uchiha who could control bijuu, and Sasuke's suppression of a tiny bit of Kyuubi's power is not indicative of his being able to replicate Madara's feat - not by a long shot.

There's no evidence at all to suggest that Madara or any other Uchiha could influence any of the other bijuu.

And another thing - I see people assuming that Sasuke did to Manda what Madara did to Kyuubi. There's no evidence to suggest that Kyuubi was genjutsu'd, however. In fact, Sasuke uses his own chakra to suppress the Kyuubi's during their confrontation. There's no genjutsu involved.

It's simpler to assume that the Uchiha simply have an affinity for the Kyuubi that allowed Madara to control it and Sasuke to suppress it.

Then again, Naruto can do something similar, and by the end of the series will have a stronger power over Kyuubi than even Madara did. Minato stated quite explicitly that he intended Naruto to use the Kyuubi's power to kill Madara, after all, so any notion that Kyuubi's power is useless against an Uchiha is pure fallacy.

 

I know it's canon Howdy. To me it just doesn't make any sense. Has the Kyuubi been stated to be fundamentally different in terms of anything besides power? If not I don't see how someone could control Demon^9 but not Demon^8 or Demon^1.

 

In Link 1, Itachi claims that Madara used the Sharingan to control the Kyuubi.

In Link 2, Kyuubi, himself, draws a comparison between Madara and Sasuke.

In Link 3, Sasuke suppresses the Kyuubi's chakra.

In conjunction, both Link 1 & 2 show that a Sharingan is a necessary component to the controlling of the Kyuubi. (the question that should be asked here is what type of Sharingan?) All we can speculate from this pictures is that any Uchiha with a Sharingan (and chakra more sinister than the Kyuubi's) can potentially control it.

But here is the one commonly overlooked piece of fact: Link 4 and 5 which basically proves the argument.

Assuming that the other Bijuus are similar to the Kyuubi in physical and spiritual nature (only differences being physical attributes, chakra affinities & capacities), what actually stops an Uchiha that can potentially control the Kyuubi from controlling (or suppressing) other Bijuus? Just because we haven't see happen does not mean it has or it hasn't. The only reason I can think of is arrogance/desire to control the strongest, Kyuubi.

No one said it was genjutsu BUT we all know about the Hypnotic powers of the Sharingan. The Sharingan's third ability is the inducing a unique brand of hypnosis that involves suggesting actions and thoughts to the opponent through simple eye contact. With this, it's not far-fetched to believe that he mind-jacked Manda.

This is true.

Well, as long as Naruto's mind is susceptible to the Sharingan, then the usage of Kyuubi's chakra is useless (Occulemency ftw!). We've seen Sasuke pop into Naruto's mind and stop the Kyuubi. How will Naruto defend against that? By depending on himself & senjutsu.

 

The fact that when Madara took command of the Kyubi he also at the time had the "Eternal" Mangekyo Sharingan at his disposal. The sharingan to suppress and the eternal to control then?

Begs the question though, if every Uchiha with the sharingan can supress the Kyubi then a plathora of them combating it when it attacked the second time should have made at least significant damage to the demon.