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Harry burned Quirrell with touch but not Diary ?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Hoshiakari, Aug 13, 2009.

  1. Hoshiakari

    Hoshiakari Second Year

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    Seeing as Dumbledore explained to Harry that Quirrell could not stand protection of Lily's love in Harry's blood because he was possessed by Voldemort who was so full of hatred and greed and he did not understand power of love, why did not Harry's touch burn Diary that was full of Tom Riddle's soul too ?

    Sorry for possible errors. English is not my first language.
     
  2. Innomine

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    Because that was not the Voldemort that died in Godric's Hollow, I presume.
     
  3. Skeletaure

    Skeletaure Magical Core Enthusiast ~ Prestige ~ DLP Supporter

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    You cannot destroy the soul "inside" of a Horcrux directly. The whole purpose of having the soul-fragment in a recepticle is to protect it. The only way to destroy a Horcrux is to destroy the physical recepicle beyond the point of magical repair.
     
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    Because books are not nearly so flammable as humans.
     
  5. Agnostics Puppet

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    I understand what the OP is trying to say though. Harry didnt burn Voldemort, he burned Quirrel, who was currently housing Voldemorts soul. Just like the diary. Maybe it had something to do with Voldemort being inside another living being, I dont know.

    But then again, it would have made the story painfully short. Harry finds the diary the first time, and there is fire and shrieking and no more horcrux.
     
  6. Hoshiakari

    Hoshiakari Second Year

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    But Harry or Gaunt ring were not destroyed beyond the point of magical repair, were they ?

    To Agnostics : then he could burn down Nagini in DH in Godric's Hollow or not ?
     
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  7. Skeletaure

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    Voldemort wasn't just inside Quirrell, he was possessing him.

    It's the difference between visiting a hotel and staying in a room and turning up at a hotel and deciding to run the place.

    ---------- Post automerged at 01:59 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:57 PM ----------

    The Gaunt ring was (Dumbledore, with Gryffindors sword which was imbued with Basilisk venom).

    Harry wasn't a horcrux.
     
  8. Hoshiakari

    Hoshiakari Second Year

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    Then could he burn Ginny during CoS when she was being possessed ?
    And the Resurrection Stone functioned in DH or I think that Stone was only cracked so not completely destroyed.
     
  9. Skeletaure

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    The Resurrection Stone wasn't the Horcrux. The Gaunt ring was, and the Resurrection stone was merely one part of that ring. The ring was broken.

    That would logically follow, yes, but of course it isn't canon because, well, it isn't canon (remember that Ginny wasn't being possessed at all times in CoS).

    It's possible, however, that it might not have happened for some reason (possibly the soul fragment is still in the Diary, just extended into Ginny, possibly the reason Ellisande gave).
     
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  10. Hoshiakari

    Hoshiakari Second Year

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    So that fabulous love protection is directed against only some forms of Voldemort ? (possessed targets yes, parts of soul in Horcruxes no) I always thought that if it existed, it should be "targeted" against Voldemort in all forms. And why is love the deepest, most powerful form of magic but it cannot hurt Horcruxes of most powerful dark wizard who should be most influenced by love (negatively of course) ?
     
  11. enembee

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    Well I assumed it was because the horcruxes were made before Voldemort attacked Harry.
     
  12. Hoshiakari

    Hoshiakari Second Year

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    So if love protection is able to banish/injure only one part of Voldemort's soul (main one that stayed as a wraith), does it mean that former soul parts are less "evil" or maybe they are not the same soul or maybe the dark soul magic is somewhat "stronger" that allegedly most powerful form of magic ?
     
  13. Skeletaure

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    I find it much more likely that it is simply a matter of identity, not who is most evil. Only the "master soul" - i.e. the one from which the horcruxes were split - counts as Voldemort.
     
  14. Hoshiakari

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    So if Malfoy (theoretically) sent Diary to Privet Drive because he knew it is some kind of weapon and it could be used against HP it would pass "blood wards" because it is not Voldemort ? (and until activated diary should not have evil intent)
     
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    I was under the impression that Harry's protection worked against Quirrell because he was a biological entity capable of being affected by such magic, while the dangerous thing about Horcruxes was supposed to be that they could influence someone while being impossible to remove/defeat by any other means than physical destruction. One is a horcrux, one is not. Quirrell was not a horcrux, and thus perfectly susceptible to the protective magics applied to Harry.
     
  16. Hoshiakari

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    I am not sure but I think that Harry touched Nagini in DH ( I could be wrong and yes snake is Horcrux but a living biological entity as you said)

    Or maybe Harry ought to burn himself while possessed in DoM. Only Voldemort's body had immunity from graveyard (I think) ;)
     
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    Nagini was a horcrux. A biological one, yes, but still a Horcrux. That, and Nagini was a snake. Maybe I was being too broad with "biological", but all this really comes down to, is that no one knows how magic works. JKR probably kept it that way to give herself more space, at the expense of logical fallacies of epic proportions. But it is, after all, magic.
     
  18. rocket_runner

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    Perhaps the difference is that Quirrel was willingly possessed by Voldemort. Throughout the book the intentions of wizards/witches has always been important, and Ginny never intended to help Tom Riddle open the Chamber of Secrets. Quirrel, on the other hand, was ready to give up his soul to Voldemort.

    I agree. Tom Riddle at sixteen hadn't attacked Harry yet and so that portion of the soul was exempt from Lily's protections; the Voldemort in Quirrel had attacked Harry. Following with this theory, I think any horcruxes Voldemort would've made after Halloween of '81 would've been subject to Lily's love provided someone was using them (as Taure mentioned).

    However, didn't the locket burn Harry whenever it touched his bare skin?

    Going along with what I said about intentions, it also makes a difference that Quirrel was generally 'bad'/evil. Ginny and Harry, on the other hand, had good souls and so had some form of protection against Voldemort. Their love and 'goodness' would make it harder for Voldemort to possess them (as shown in OOTP by Harry).

    On a seperate note, can Voldemort only possess people who have come into direct contact with a horcrux or a portion of his soul?
     
  19. Hoshiakari

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    And what about part of Voldemort's soul in curse scar ? It was made during Halloween of 1981 after Lily's protection went into effect. Protection ought to destroy/banish that instable part of Voldemort's soul.
     
  20. Evan Tide

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    Ginny wasn't under constant possession. She was only possessed when she was writing the messages, opening the chamber, or having teh memory blanks. During those times, she never interacted with Harry, so no burn. When she did interact with him, she wasn't under any possession.

    As for the Nagini burn, it probablly didn't work because the snake was the horcrux. Nagini wasn't just the holder of a horcrux, she was one. The horcrux magic probablly nullified the burn.

    Same idea would apply to the locket and necklace. If the thing is guarding a soul fragment/horcrux, then it can get burned. However, if the thing IS the horcrux, then it is not affected.

    At least, this is my take on why that happened.
     
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