Madara's the one who sicked the Kyuubi on Konoha, so perhaps they couldn't undo his commands.

 

Read Link 4 & 5. You need a Mangekyou Sharingan to control the Kyuubi.

and there goes Plot Hole no jutsu! Actually, maybe that's how it got sealed: weaken the Kyuubi's overpowering and overwhelming aura enough for the Yondaime could seal it.

 

Or the Yondaime was so badass he didn't need an HAXED eyes

 

Yeh i see, i forgot that Itachi said that shit. On that note if its only the Mangekyou Sharingan needed then why wasn't it Itachi that used it to subdue Naruto for Akatsuki? It's only Madara's word so far that exonerate's Itachi and to go in character, it wouldn't be to hard to believe it was a lie to provoke Sasuke into attacking Konoha.

 

Just completed reading the manga till date and enjoyed it immensely. Probably because I read it in one swing.

Speaking of Sharingan and other eye thingies, the Uchiha and Hyuuga seem to be incredibly generous people, don't they. I mean, Kakashi was gifted one sharingan-eyeball, this new character from another village was gifted a Hyuuga eyeball and behold, even Danzou has one. >_>

I had to get that off my chest.

As for Itachi not Controlling Naruto...Its exactly the point. He may have been able to control the Kyuubi but he would not be able to control Naruto. The Kyuubi is inside Naruto and unless its fully out, what with all the nine tails and all, it would not be Kyuubi completely. Hence uncontrollable by the sharingan. Otherwise Madara would himself have taken control of Naruto long ago.

Did that make sense? umm...thats the best way I could put it. >_>

Also, Its not necessary for Itachi to be able to control Kyuubi at all. Madara is after all the oldest sharingan user. It could be his signature move to control the tailed beasts, just like the First Hokage.

It could also be that its a specific gift of the Mangekyu sharingan, as everyone seems to have different gifts. Like Kakashi had his dimension-thingie, Itachi had Amaterasu (which he gave to Sasuke) and Danzou seems to have mind-control-thing. I'm guessing here, but different Mangekyu seem to have different gift/techniques.

 

False.

Madara is the only Uchiha capable of controlling the Kyuubi.

Is this because he is the only Uchiha who obtained the EMS?

We don't know.

Fact is that Sasuke was able to suppress whatever small amount of Kyuubi's power he did within Naruto's mindscape, and this was before he gained even basic MS, so making the assumption that MS is linked to Kyuubi control at all is not supported by the manga.

 

Why isn't there a new chapter out today?

Did they skip this week?

 

Nope, no release for any of the Shonen Jump comics this week.

 

lol, you're not serious are you? You're gonna sit there and blatantly ignore the fact that the manga itself implies a correlation and then say it doesn't? :lol:

Ok, I'm gonna spell it out for you.

Itachi and Sasuke are talking.
Itachi says that the MS has a unique trait where from the moment you get it, you start to go blind.
Sasuke replies "Blindness... so that's the price you pay for gaining control of the Nine-Tail fox?"
At which, Itachi tartly comments "Well, well. So you listened to me and read the tablets in the [Uchiha] secret meeting room."

Do you see the connection, Howdy? Does anyone else see the connection?

 

Fail, sir.

Itachi and Sasuke are operating on assumptions here. Madara is the only Uchiha to control the fox. The Kage literally just spelled out the four people in history who've been able to control the bijuu.

The conversation between Itachi and Sasuke was staged. Itachi meant to instill in Sasuke a fear of Madara and his power. Again, there is no supporting evidence anywhere stating that just an MS gives you fox control. It just so happens that the only guy to ever control the fox had an MS.

You see the difference?

 

I see where you're coming from. I really do, even though it's quite ironic how you're making 'assumptions' that have no canonical evidence.

Where do you see that? Where does canon say so? At least present to me the evidence in the manga to support your claims (as I've done in the last several post).

Again, I ask "Where is the canonical evidence for this?"

1. I agree with you there. I would be pissed if just getting the MS gives you automatic control of the Kyuubi.

2. Look, This is just a which side of the coin is it case. Yes, i can see the coincidence in that happening but canon easily supports the other side. Evidence from the Kyuubi, Sasuke, and even freaking Madara himself, plus this picture show that you need a Sharingan at the minimum to control the Kyuubi.

 

Hashirama didn't need a Sharingan to do it, and Naruto won't need a Sharingan to do it.

I don't know what else I can tell you.

 

You just reminded me what the original argument was about (for what other reasons would Madara kill the Uchiha clan). During our heated debate, we focused on a more specific instance, the Sharingan and the Kyuubi. It seems, however that we were looking at the argument from two different facets. You were arguing on whether the Kyuubi can only be controlled by the Sharingan which, I agree is false. (Case-in point, Yamato). I, on the other hand, was arguing that control of the Kyuubi is an ability of the Sharingan, which I think I've proven.

Still, I stand corrected since I misspoke there, and a few other times. What I meant to say is that all those evidence prove that anyone with a Sharingan, esp. a MS, can gain control the Kyuubi. It's not a necessary component to control the Kyuubi, but those that have the Sharingan can potentially control it.

 

I think the Sharingan is only half of the picture so to speak. The ability to supress the Kyuubi's chakra has to also be tied to the Uchiha blood, otherwise Kakashi didn't need to have Yamato there during the futon training. For a guy that has not only managed to attain a fully mature Sharingan but also a MS proves that the eye functions as if he were Uchiha but yet he still cant supress the chakra?

 

new chapter is up.... wtf at angry Sasuke....

 

I fucking knew it! (about the chakra wielding samurai). We were just talking about that I think either a few pages back in this thread, or in a different one.

Hate the damn cliffhangers. I want to see what Madara has to say to Naruto. That should be good.

Another thing: I don't remember exactly what has happened in the past 40 chapters, so why again did Zetsu inform the kage's of Sasuke's presence?

 

lol, yeah. I brought it up in this thread. I mean seriously it makes no sense for samurai not to be able to use chakra, but I digress.

Easy. Madara's betraying Sasuke. That's why he's angry. Probably has to do with Sasuke's changing chakra...

 

I am hoping those Ninja confused Kakashi with his Sharingan and Sasuke because it does not make sense that anyone but the jounin sensei in charge would get credit for a mission like that.

 

This. That pissed me off so bad.