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Complete The Substitute by: BaJaB K+

Discussion in 'General Fics' started by Agnostics Puppet, Nov 10, 2008.

  1. Blaise

    Blaise Golden Patronus

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    This might've been the one time my irrational hate of any/all disclaimers or author's notes caught me out, but BajaB is still full of shit. The Chosen One is the one marked by Prophecy (Gary). The Boy-Who-Lived is the term coined by wizards for the being that was hit with the Killing Curse and survived (again, Gary).

    As for the prophecy, if you don't change it, it stays the same. Mentioning that there's a new prophecy, without actually stating what it is, is a JKR-worthy attempt at backpedaling that Baja doesn't have a billion dollars and his own series to back it up with.

    He even says himself how "silly" that would be - a word which sums up this story rather well.
     
  2. Galleon

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    Changing it would be stupid, but the fact that it could apply to someone else or no one at all sounds appealing to me. Too many people take the prophecy and just nod their heads that it makes sense after two, almost three, solid books of doing nothing but make fun of divination.
     
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    There is a difference between Divination and true prophecy in HP. JKR spent a lot of time researching and weaving mythological backround into the prophecy, and when it comes down to it, the scar is the mark of the equal, and by marking him, he designated Garry as the Chosen One. If anything, "born" is an ambiguous part of the prophecy. Anything that comes into existence is born, and what is more equal than possessing the same soul as the Dark Lord? Neither can live while the other survives because there is only one soul between them.

    But you're right, that isn't the part that really messes up the story. I would have settled for actually having Garry go to the graveyard and fight, even if he dies right there its still better than what came out. It really seems as though Baja simply didn't want to flesh the concept out all the way, which is his choice. He even mentions that it was never even supposed to be anything more than a bunny. The ending was constructed and played out so that Harry would go out quickly and cleanly, and I say mission accomplished. Harry gave up. He didn't even die fighting the beasts, which is still better than an heroing and being the sole victim of an explosion you caused that literally effects nothing due to the wards, without even being declared the winner or having changed anyone's mind except those who already knew the truth. Nobody even saw him go in, they'll think everyone was saved, no loss. He didn't even see it through to the end.
     
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    I loved this-the original idea, and yes, the ending too. It was a refreshing change from all the nice, neat, happily ever after endings we get in fanfiction usually (and often in novels as well). Harry (Garry) gave up. Frankly in that situation, I would too. I'm not afraid to admit that. Honestly I think its a lot more realistic than if he had shown all those bastards that he was human after all and skipped off into the sunset with the few that believed in him while the nonbelievers cried at their folly.
     
  6. Blaise

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    ...you think that killing yourself is better than upstaging/disproving the people who deny your humanity - because that's more realistic to you, because that's what you'd do.


    Riiiiiiight.
     
  7. Kari Black

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    I'm just saying that I probably wouldn't have the strength to upstage/disprove the people who would deny my humanity. Maybe you have more courage than I do. Plus, how exactly would he have proved his humanity to those who didn't believe in it? By winning the TWT? Yeah right, they would have just said he won by using dark magic and tried to lock him away. The people who would have believed in his humanity already did. The best he could have done is convince one or two people. If someone doesn't want to believe in something, they won't. Fudge after Voldie is resurrected anyone? the only reason he couldn't deny it anymore is because him and a bunch of people actually saw Voldie. How can you irrevocably prove someone's humanity?
     
  8. capo327

    capo327 Sixth Year

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    The reason why I read fiction is to read things that I can't and wouldn't do. Why would you want to read a story where the main character does everything you would do? There would be no surprises.
     
  9. Kang

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    I loved it. Pure and simple. I doubt this was ever going to end with Harry riding off into the sunset and that's the beauty of it.
     
  10. Scott

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    I couldn't make it past chapter 3. The concept of the story was good and all but it was just like wow. Lily and James kids all seemed like Mary-Sues and Gary-Sues. Definitely 'real Harry' like come on... I liked Ginny better then them in this and I haven't liked Ginny at all since after I read my first fanfic.

    I can get Lil/James being powerful but they weren't teachers so how and the fuck can they just teach their kids lots of cool magic and shit and make them better then everybody at Hogwarts? Always their other son, Jim or whatever his name is favoring dark spells like his father? James favoring dark spells? Uh, no… 3/5

    Not my cup of tea.
     
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  11. Ceebee

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    It was alright, I would have prefered it if he got to throw off an epic one liner before he took the cup or whatever.

    Definitively not a martyr if you're not throwing off a one liner.
     
  12. Crazy Demon

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    I think that came from House MD, episode 201.
     
  13. Jjf88

    Jjf88 Auror

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    I'd have rather he got Riddle's power and magical abilities and fucking owned ass rather than be like "omfg i is not bright even tho i fuckin ownz at dada, like wut the fuck should i do? I shall study hard because it doesnt matter if you iz a retard studying makes it better" Yeah noo..

    The aurors said he performed a seventh year spell well so he clearly isn't "not as bright as others" so I feel thats a shitload of bollocks right there.

    I enjoyed it but tbh would rather it was a trilogy or something that included him running away, learning shit and coming back as either a Merc (oh how much lulz there would be) or a Dark Lord.
     
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    It was posted almost a month ago but I still feel the need to comment on the sheer idiocy of the poster above me. Firstly: The entire point of the fic was to establish that Harry was his own person and had free will to decide who he was, not to become some carbon copy of Voldemort, or to become the exact same person as the real Harry.

    Secondly, the words of the Auror cannot be taken as fact because he was biased against Golem-Harry. G-Harry could have been the next best thing to Merlin and he'd still be viewed in the same light.

    Last but not least, this fic was not meant to be an overly cliché action/adventure fic with a pseudo-original base, it is a drama with existentional overtones that deals with the premise of Harry not actually being human but being close enough that you couldn't tell otherwise. It's very much the same principle as the sci/fi trope where robots have become almost indistinguishable from humans, to the point where the mere definition of what is a robot and what is a human comes into doubt.

    tl;dr - You're an idiot and completely missed the point of this fic.
     
  15. Jjf88

    Jjf88 Auror

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    Indeed but tbh I don't read fics for the deep philisophical meaning I read them to see shit get blown up.
     
  16. Scott

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    If what I remember reading on this correctly; fake!Harry was a pussy and the 'real' Harry and siblings were just utterly awesome, with parents who were so smart, they taught them everything and they liked the fake!harry while practically everybody else hated him. Did I give this fic a 3/5? I meant 2/5.
     
  17. DarthBill

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    Then don't read this.
     
  18. Ash'Ura

    Ash'Ura Totally Sirius

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    Agreed, but I still think it deserves a 4/5 because of the great ending.
     
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