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Complete The Denarian Lord by Shezza 88 - M - Dresden Files

Discussion in 'The Alternates' started by XxEnvyxX, Jun 29, 2008.

  1. Novera

    Novera Seventh Year

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    Well, her whole scheme didn't really seem to fit what we know about Sidhe personality, but she most certainly didn't mean to die for her cause. She knew she was doomed, so she thought to make her death useful. The idea that Fawkes would kill herself to save a human is a little unbelievable. That is one thing that makes the fey so alien, the fact that they are not capable of selfless action.
     
  2. lucis

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    That she didn't intend to die doesn't mean her motivations weren't honourable. She, as she says, wanted to make the pain stop.

    She knew she was going to die so she tried to make her death advance a cause she believed in.

    [Citation Needed]
     
  3. Jon

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    Toot-toot.
     
  4. Jigokuno

    Jigokuno Seventh Year

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    From reading the reviews people seem to have the same opinion as me on this.

    Invisibility Cloak to hide from death would seem kinda strange and needless to add it such a idea at this point in the story.

    Divine Intervention seems like one of the two best ideas. Although I am weary of saying to add it more divine intervention after just having Amanda save him plus adding in Uriel coming out of nowhere at this point in the story would be strange although it might be interesting if Uriel goes on to tell Harry why God never helped Harry with his relatives yet wanted Harry's help when he finally saves himself. Since Harry always seemed bitter about that.

    The one I am most leaning to is a new deal with Fawkes or Dumbledore dieing at this point goes against their previous deal. Some say it would be against Fae nature to help humans but some Fae don't seem to be needlessly cruel some just seem to be indifferent and like making deals. Fawkes being around Dumbledore for so long could make her fond of him enough that she would pull some strings to keep him around a little longer although it probably won't be free since this is Fae we are talking about.
     
  5. DarthBill

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    Wow. That sure was a lot of effort for a rocks fall joke. Two years of writing.

    Good fight scene, though.

    Edit: Though it occurs to me that I should have posted this in the reviews section.
     
  6. Arrakis

    Arrakis First Year

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    In response to assertions that fey are incapable of acting selflessly:

    This is not entirely true, it goes against the nature of the average fey, but some, i.e. Aurora, are "weird" and do (though she would end up hurting humanity more if she succeeded). Toot-toot, however, is not acting selflessly, he is obeying the Za-lord.
     
  7. KrzaQ

    KrzaQ Denarii Host DLP Supporter

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    He risks his life in hopeless fight against a nearly immortal opponent, in spite of fact that he isn't in any way bound to do that. What a selfish bastard!
     
  8. mithil

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    I remember reading Mab saying to Harry we will meet again or something & Fae can't outright lie so Harry Can't be dead yet.
     
  9. KrzaQ

    KrzaQ Denarii Host DLP Supporter

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    There's no proof of that in Dresden Files canon. All we know is that if a Fae says something three times they have to make it true.

    Besides, what if she didn't say these things to Harry? Or if she used royal 'we'?
     
  10. Random Shinobi

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    Actually it is canon that faeries can't lie intentionally. They may err just like everybody else, however.
     
  11. KrzaQ

    KrzaQ Denarii Host DLP Supporter

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    Would you care to tell me where exactly it's said like that? I honestly don't know.

    Btw, what do you think Shezza meant when she said that she needed AD alive at the end? Help Harry out of Ministry holding cells? Or maybe deal with him now that he's no longer needed?
     
  12. Kthr

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    I don't really support using the cloak to hide Dumbledore from death. One of his convictions has always been that "Death is the next adventure" and was willing to die to save the soul of one stupid student( And Dumbledore remains pretty close to cannon here, if only a bit more awesome).

    Now, I could totally see Fawkes showing up and screeching to him "get the fuck up, our deal is not yet done" or something like that.

    Dr.Xavier!Dumbledore anyone?

    Edit:

    Is the Sidhe able to predict the future? If not, as far as I'm concerned she truly belived that at the time, so no lies were spoken
     
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  13. Random Shinobi

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    It has been stated many times...

     
  14. Arrakis

    Arrakis First Year

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    Perhaps I should clarify my earlier statement, Toot-toot obeys Harry because Harry gives him and his "followers" pizza. In return, they serve him. Hence, Toot-toot is not acting selflessly, he is following through with the deal they have/paying back a favor. If Harry did not give him pizza he would not assist him.
     
  15. KrzaQ

    KrzaQ Denarii Host DLP Supporter

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    On the other hand, his deal is about gathering and sharing information, not fighting, and even if it was, Dresden wouldn't expect him to fight that opponent.

    @Random_Shinobi: I stand corrected. Still, what Mab said was a promise, and she certainly said it only once.
     
  16. greywizard-dumblemort

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    At this point I think its pretty clear that somehow bringing in the invisibility cloak wouldn't do this story justice.

    The Fae seem to be the way to go when it comes to saving Dumbledore but there's one or two other ways you can do things. Dumbledore may have 'given up' as it were because he's world weary etc, but Amanda's 'luck' and her desperation to help him could have been put to use whilst they were in the Room of Requirement. Its not a massive plot-device to work with and the room does have its limits but it could be the answer to your problems.

    The elder wand seemed curiously less 'able' in countering against Harry but the fight was still pretty epic.

    Voldemort's kanashibari-esque power was sick.

    Goodluck
     
  17. Moridin

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    Ummm... mistake?

    Hey, I was just rereading the Denarian Lord and found something. Sorry if this has come up before...

    That was when he first meets Dumbledore and they are discussing Amelia Bones' death.

    Later, when the Knights are in Harry's apartment...

    Here, Harry seems to imply that he does not know what the term means. It could be that he only knew the term from Meciel and not what it entails, but earlier he tells Dumbledore, right after the first quote,

    Here, he seems to imply that he knows what the term means.

    What's up with that? Mistake or is there a reasoning behind it?


    Anyway, awesome update, especially the Rocks Fell ending. Reminds me of when I finished DH... except that really didn't go any further. The Harry vs Voldemort fight scene was amazing!
     
  18. Krieger

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    Omakes suck, especially when you do not clarify it as an omake and make me get Hulkish angry because of the shit ending.

    Can't wait for the next chapter/epilogue. Great work as usual.
     
  19. Moridin

    Moridin Minister of Magic DLP Supporter

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    To clarify my previous post on a mistake, the fanfiction.net version doesn't have that error, so Shezza probably caught it and edited it out there, but couldn't here because of the time limit on editing posts. So, please ignore that.

    Again, great update!
     
    Last edited: Dec 15, 2009
  20. Ragon

    Ragon Dark Lord

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    I believe it should have been. "She said" there at the end.


    More later
     
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