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Pokemon Gen 5

Discussion in 'Pokémon' started by Seratin, Feb 10, 2010.

  1. Wildfeather

    Wildfeather The Nidokaiser ~ Prestige ~

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    Someone likes their bug pokemon...
     
  2. Poytin

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    If you think about it Pokemon would make a pretty epic MMO.

    Also... Pokemon need more moves. Right now there are more Pokemon than moves.
     
  3. Chime

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    Rotom is weak, but his "evolutions" are pretty OP. Makes an incredible tank type. Great resists too. I don't like it though.

    1. Wouldn't work. Need restriction on moves, otherwise, they'd totally need to revamp the combat system from scratch.
    2. Nintendo is too lazy to do this. Look at any of their 3d pokemon games - they refuse to make more than 2 animations for each pokemon and have been reusing the same models/animations from previous releases. They won't do this. Besides, it wouldn't add much.
    4. Yes
    5. They're expanding online play with each installment, I imagine next game will have full random battles online. Right now, you almost have that.
    6. I haven't played pokemon online much, but I never encountered cheaters.
    7. See 1.
    8. Won't happen. Nintendo doesn't like piracy. They're targeting kids too, which is probably the biggest audience of the DS/portable console.

    Pokemon is a /very/ successful formula and Nintendo is a Japanese company, don't expect sweeping change.
     
  4. Seratin

    Seratin Proudmander –§ Prestigious §– DLP Supporter

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    The Electric/Ghost combo could have been done so much better than it was with Rotom. The Rotom-A forms are usable but do you really want to use a pokemon modeled after a washing machine?

    You'd be better off using Electivire and hoping it gets to use motor drive.
     
  5. Chime

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    The appeal to Rotom-A is that it blocks spikes and has a decent movepool, damage and survivability. Electavire is like a one-trick pony that's really weak to stuff like EQ. I'd take almost any electric pokemon over either of them, personally though. Even Pachirisu or Minun have enough support moves to be situationally useful, whereas Electavire is just a physical damage dealer to switch in on your Gyrados, or something that draws an electric move.

    But yeah I basically agree with you, Rotom isn't that great. He's not terrible though. He's actually pretty popular, from the number of people I've fought before.
     
  6. Seratin

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    I know what you mean about the spikes though. I assume that includes stealth rock? Jolteon is the real winner in the electric type, it's speed is just too <3. Combine that with double kick and bite and you have a surprise winrar.

    Funny story, my entire team got raped last night because I was fighting a shiny kabutops. I took one glance at the green thing with blades and used fly, assuming it was a scyther.

    Fly did shit damage, he got a free turn to use swords dance and it raped my team.

    :|
     
  7. Skeletaure

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    Many RPGs maintain strategy with more than 4 moves. If anything, more moves means more strategy, because you have greater choice.


    It's a crap system for online play. Everyone online has level 100 pokemon, and there's nothing beyond 100. Thus, everyone online has very similar Pokemon. Getting rid of the levelling system and instead bringing in something like the Sphere Grid (though perhaps one with an opportunity cost) means there's much more to differentiate Pokemon from each other. As is, there's only EVs, and you have to be pretty hardcore to control them.

    And it's a massive exaggeration to say that levelling is the backbone of the game. The Pokemon's stats are the backbone of the combat system, not their level. A Sphere grid - or something like it - maintains stats. They're just achieved in a more interesting way that provides greater variety, realism, and depth. The only thing that level is really necessary for is evolution, and even then that's easily avoided. Set an evolution to certain conditions being met, rather than a certain level. You could even have different evolutions depending on which route you decide to take your Pokemon.

    (My idea for a sphere grid inspired system: after battling, you earn training points - corresponding to time you would take training your Pokemon - which you can spend on various upgrades to the Pokemon. Increases in stats, new abilities, new attacks, working towards new or greater resistances/immunities, etc. You could even add a time element such that after spending your points it took a certain amount of time (game time, real time, or steps) for the purchased improvement to come into effect. Buying certain upgrades would mean certain other ones were unavailable, bringing real choice into the system, and preventing people from just plying until they had them all. Each Pokemon could have its own upgrade map.)

    As for PC version: I meant an official PC version. One with support for playing other people with the game, patches, expansion packs, etc.
     
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  8. Seratin

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    Not really. You want speed, grind against Zubats. It's not rocket science.
     
  9. Othalan

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    ^Totally this.

    Speaking of which, I've been looking for a good emulator and a freeware version of gold or silver since my GBA crapped out. Anyone know of any good ones that'll work with Vista?
     
  10. Skeletaure

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    Virtual Boy Advance is the only one you need, unless you want to emulate DS. In which case No$ is the only one which works - but it's not great.
     
  11. Seratin

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    I played Blue and Silver, but none since then. I got frustrated since due to my slightly OCD nature with regards to games I actually wanted to "Collect 'Em All" but never could due to the trading aspect where each game lacks certain pokemon.

    Well, that and I don't play many GameBoy games (I might play through one a year, if that) and there were better options.

    I would probably pick up a new one though if it had good gameplay. A lot of the games made for DS have been pretty good that I've tried, though I hate that damn stylus. I usually only play when travelling and it can be hard to use.

    Anyway, nice heads up on a new game. I'll be travelling in April and I will want a game of some kind, though I doubt this will be out nearly that soon.
     
  13. Seratin

    Seratin Proudmander –§ Prestigious §– DLP Supporter

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    Cheddartrek: Remakes of Gold and Silver are out in March.

    They are much awesomeness.
     
  14. pdo91

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    The DS pokemon games really only incorporate the stylus as an accessory. They're 100% playable without, you just have to use buttons instead of the touchpad. It barely makes any difference at all.

    And March 14th, to be specific.
     
  15. Chime

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    Taure, try out PWO (http://www.pokemonworldonline.net/) or Shoddybattle (shoddybattle.com) if you're looking for some online pokemon action. Both are pretty playable (though both are fairly buggy, especially the former).
     
  16. Othalan

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    Cool, thanks for the rec, guys.
     
  17. Seratin

    Seratin Proudmander –§ Prestigious §– DLP Supporter

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    Shoddybattle would be fucking awesome if I could get it to work. As it is most people are restricted to DS-online play which because it's run by Nintendo, is fucked up as hell.
     
  18. Lutris

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    /me plugs Umbreon and the Eevee evolutions.

    I've spent so much time breeding Eevees in Heart Gold and Soul Silver (hah, HG/SS ;D) that I have 5 boxes full of Eevee. Really.


    Anyway, it says there that Zorua and Zoroark are solely Dark pokemon. I would know, since I'm Japanese. :3
     
  19. Seratin

    Seratin Proudmander –§ Prestigious §– DLP Supporter

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    So would they guys who confirmed it yesterday, as they're japanese too. There's a lot of you fuckers. :|

    Looks like the Eevee family is going for one evo of every type at this stage. Which is fairly awesome. Ghost!Eevee and Steel!Eevee ftfw.

    Leafeon was a letdown though, if only for the name. Even 'Chloreon' would have been better. :s
     
  20. Lutris

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    I have Eevees with 31 HP and also 31 SPD, so it's pretty epic.

    But yeah. Steel and Ghost Eevees will be epic.
     
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