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Armor v. Style

Discussion in 'Gaming and PC Discussion' started by Xiph0, Jun 8, 2010.

  1. Xiph0

    Xiph0 Yoda Admin

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    Ever notice that in tons of games if you wear what you want to wear, you tend to get rolled over easy because there's huge defensive bonuses stacked on huge, clunky plate mail sets?

    Fallout, Fable, Diablo, and fucking loads of others do this. They give you something sweet you can wear but then punish you severely for actually doing it, forcing you to leave your character vulnerable to wear sweet gear.

    It doesn't seem like a hugely hard thing to fix. You simply need to make the traditional Endurance stat more prominent and get rid of clothing-based defense at all.
     
  2. Mercenary

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    Huge metal plates (big def bonus) hard to make pretty.
     
  3. Midknight

    Midknight Middy is SPAI! DLP Supporter Retired Staff

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    Are we really having fucking Queer Eye for the Medieval Guy ova here? Rly?

    I think the plate armor in most of the games looks more epic the more protection you get *shrug*
     
  4. Xiph0

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    I've been playing Fallout until my disc breaks lately and I was dieing to use Lincoln's Top Hat. I finally broke down and just said fuck it - and died in like two fights, even with liberal stimpak abuse. I just hate how steep they penalize you for wearing the fun shit they give you.
     
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    Well in fairness, Lincoln's top hat doing fuckall for gunshot wounds is canon.
     
  6. Xiph0

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    /facepalm

    Walked into that one. And while we're on Fallout, what the fuck is with even making a custom face when the shit is hidden in Power Armor all the time?
     
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    Oz For Zombie. Moderator DLP Supporter

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    Holy shit, but did I lol hard.

    And I used to play Oblivion starkers. It's how a real man plays. D:
     
  8. Red Aviary

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    Part of the reason why I dislike FO3 is all this "fun shit" they give you. Honestly, New Vegas better cut most of the unnecessary, wacky crap they shovel at you. Not just clothes that do fuck-all and look ridiculous, but the stupid vacuum guns and Fatboy shit as well. Give me some more real weapons and armor that make some sense.

    ... Keep the Shishkebab, though, that one's kind of cool. :rolleyes:

    The occasional silly item is all right, but overall I'd much rather be wearing this:

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    Or this:

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    than Abe Lincoln's hat any day.

    If it were like Mass Effect, where you actually see your character interact with people, I'd agree. And ME2 had that problem with the helmets not coming off in conversations like in Dragon Age and needing a menu on the ship to take off. But in Fallout, especially these new ones where it's first person, your character doesn't speak or interact at all. I don't really consider it much of an issue.

    Most faces look ugly anyway, unless you mod it. It takes me at least forty minutes to get a halfway decent character.
     
  9. Midknight

    Midknight Middy is SPAI! DLP Supporter Retired Staff

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    Mass Effect pisses me off because you can choose to use the helmet and get a boost, or not use it to see the face and loose out.
     
  10. Tehan

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    The concentrated fail in this post is making me weep. You've never played the first two games, have you?
     
  11. Red Aviary

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    I have, actually.

    I'll freely admit I suck at getting my point across. It's part of why I don't post often. I'll try to explain a bit.

    What I mean by the "fun shit" thing is that Bethesda seems to lack a sense of verisimilitude with the Fallout world established by Interplay. Take the Fatman (not Fatboy, sorry) example. Sure, at first glance it seems to fit because, you know, it fires nukes, which is one of the main staples of Fallout. And it's also semi-based on the Davy Crockett weapon, so there's even a real-world example. But there's a few problems:

    1) Implementation of this weapon is very off. The Davy Crockett was meant to be fired off of a tripod mount and the projectile had its own propulsion system. It was never actually used, because the blast radius of the thing would kill anyone firing it. That might be tweaked a bit for Fallout, since they've actually managed to get nuclear fusion working, but the firing mechanism still wouldn't make much sense without a tripod to keep it stable. It would make more sense if it could only be fired by Power Armored characters.

    2) The main problem with it, though, is that nuclear weapons of any kind in Fallout are like the Holy Grail of weapons technology. If Fatman launchers and mini-nukes are supposed to be as prevalent as they are in the Capital Wasteland, why the hell aren't the Brotherhood of Steel of the Enclave crawling all over them?

    We also have clothing like the aforementioned Abraham Lincoln's hat. Yes, it's Washington D.C. and all, but it's Washington D.C. 200+ years after a nuclear holocaust. Even if the hat survived the firestorm, that's 200+ years of it being left on the floor in a building very exposed to the elements. It should be a moldy lump that might vaguely resemble a hat, if anything. But it's just a little dusty looking in-game, as I recall. Maybe if it was kept in a safe shelter we could just dismiss it as a quirky little thing, but the hat joins fifty other similar themed-items that just don't make sense in the context they're in.

    The older games had some silly items like the Holy Hand Grenade, but they were clearly just easter eggs, not meant to be taken very seriously. Bethesda seems to pump in three idiotic, useless items that just "look cool" for every one genuinely useful item. And the effect is to shift the focus from trying to survive in a wasteland and rebuild while dealing with the horrors and anarchy as result of war, to somewhere and something that is completely irrelevant and adds nothing good to the feeling of the setting.
     
  12. Xiph0

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    Okay, this -is- a good point.
     
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    To be fair, the first place I got the Fatman from was the Brotherhood Knight fighting that behemoth outside of GNR. And the mini-nukes themselves are fairly well-hidden.
     
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    In Dragon Age, pretty much ALL the armour looks sweet. So it doesn't really matter.
     
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    But also to be fair, Talon Company alone has about 80 in their headquarters [Fort Bannister] but they never once used one while me and Fawkes ripped their shit up.
     
  16. Khazad-Dumb

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    I'm a fag and only play Ragnorak Online, but I want to say this: If style can be combined with armor, do it. If not, make getting stylish shit worth it in some way.
     
  17. kevo125

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    When i had Fallout 3, I started off with armor but as i got too higher levels I started going for style. Didnt really like the power armor after staring at it for so long. Same for fable 2
     
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    I'm feeling nit picky, but in Fable 2, clothing isn't armor anymore; for which I'm glad for.
     
  19. Krogan

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    Are you serious? The armor system was fucking terrible in Fable 2.
     
  20. Rehio

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    Sometimes you get lucky and the useful armor is awesome looking. Most of the time the fancy stuff leaves you dead, and it's annoying as hell.

    I know in WoW, people will grab "RP sets" that they wear around towns and such and not in battle. Sometimes I wish I could just transport the stats from the powerful armor to the good-looking armor.

    Though maybe this is the way to go:
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