Nagato was related to the Uchiha? What?

The Uchiha and Senju are descended from Rikudou Sage, but there's not reason to assume that Nagato is related to any of them. The Rinnegan, for all we know, appears randomly. Only two people have ever had it.

Kushina, in my mind, could be related to Uchiha (Madara's "special chakra"), Senju, or neither.

 

I thought it was already confirmed that Naruto has the Senju's chakra while and Uchiha have the eyes? Wasn't that what Madra said when Naruto met up with him, and that Naruto and Sasuke were destined to fight forever.

 

Nah, that was talking about the philosophies of the two. Naruto is the spiritual reincarnation of the Senju apprentice while Sasuke is the heir of the Uchiha apprentice. No need for a blood relationship there (at least in regards to Naruto, since Sasuke has to be descended from the Uchiha just for the Sharingan).

On the other hand, this could make for another easy way to have Naruto gain the Rin'negan as a direct descendant of the Rikudo Sage in fanfiction.

 

Okay...So...

- Kyuubi is weak as a kitten
- Naruto got set up for a bloodline
- Kishimoto likes making characters look fat (Kushina, right?)
- He also ran out of ideas
- Sasuke is trollin'
- Madara and Orochibuto teamed up

Well, this is shaping up nicely...

 

Pretty much this, and also the fact that Kushina looks so familiar to Sakura could be a hint for later on.

I for one, am disappoint.

 

Well that was an incredibly disappointing chapter, the former "most powerful demon in the world" went down like a bitch without even a wisp of effort on Kushina's part. The Bloody Habanero was just........, I can't really think of any other way to phrase that. Anyone else find it slightly odd how Naruto sat around and actually started thinking about what color of hair would look the prettiest on him? Finally when you guys mentioned that he had to adjust himself when he got up I thought it would just be a clever interpretation of a particular scene but I can't think of anything else that that picture could be besides Naruto adjusting himself.

 

I was wondering, Naruto can't merge with the toad elders to enter sage mode because the nine tails was getting on the way right? So what happens when he manages to subdue the kyuubi? Biju chakra lvls + sage mode + mommy-kick-ass-chakra?

And we now know Cloud's attempt to steal Konoha's bloodlines did not start with Hinata. Makes you wonder why Konoha let them get away with it two( or more?) times.

 

This is something I'm curious about as well, for a theoretical military dictatorship they sure seem to let people walk right over them.

Its sad but I keep losing respect for Sarutobi every time something like this comes up, the incident with Hinata was bad and he fucked it up but I could see reasons for him to act as he did but with the revelation that this wasn't even the first time that they had tried the exact same fucking thing, 90% of those reasons go up in smoke. An approximation of his initial response to the Hinata incident might have been tolerable here but when they tried this a second time with Hinata he should have had all the Cloud personnel in the village executed and express mailed their severed heads back to Kumo.

 

The Hinata incident happened after the end of a very bloody war iirc. The Kushina kidnapping would have been sometime in the beginning/near beginning of the war. It may have even been the trigger event.

 

This is my own personal view mind you but I think that regardless you can't just roll over and play dead like that. During the war as I said earlier I could have still not liked but understood if he handled the Kushina situation the way he did Hinata because Kumo is still at full strength and ready to go. After the Yondaime beat Kumo and Tsuchi like whipped dogs though and they'd already tried this shit once and nearly gotten away with it, Sarutobi should have stood up and god raged to send Kumo the very specific message of keep your fat fingers off our women or heads will fucking roll.

 

The thing is that it's never really implied that Kumo and Konoha went at it that strongly in the 3rd war. What we mostly have heard about is Iwa and Ame vs. Konoha. It's possible that Kumo kept out of direct confrontation with Konoha until the end (or near it) and then offered the cease fire that led to Hinata's attempted kidnapping.

Also, if Kushina's kidnapping occurred when the whole ninja world was at war already, then who is Konoha to complain to its enemy? I was also under the impression that Minato ganked all those Kumo fools, so all was good in Konoha.

 

I freely admit Im not an expert but I was always under the impression the 3rd War was Konoha vs. Tsuchi/Kumo combined and Konoha wasn't doing so hot until the Yondaime started taking the field regularly and proceeded to violate them both but before that both sides were all active participants in the war. However even so my point remains the same by simply rolling over like that what sort of impression does that give to potential enemies? Kumo was the far weaker side, they falsely manipulated their way into the village under the pretext of peace and tried to kidnap a little girl from one of their most powerful clans and instead of righteously grinding the Kumo nins in the village into dust, Sarutobi offers them a damn conciliatory prize of the life of the head of one of their greatest military assets. If that doesn't sound a dinner bell for the predators I don't know what does.

Also I said nothing of complaining, I said cut their heads off and express mail them back, that's not complaining, that's a statement. Although if Minato did kill them all then I can live with that but I didn't get that impression at all.

 

Thing is though at the time, Cloud for SURE had Killer Bee and his brother (who knows what else) running around. Konoha may not have wanted to get the war on with a village that has someone who's mastered his demon and the brother that is even stronger. It's not as if Sarutobi were spring chicken, and if you look at most chuunin, aka cannon fodder, they really aren't that strong and could all be wiped out by Bee alone. When it comes to Jounin, I imagine that they are few in number. In fact the kidnapping happened maybe six years after the Kyuubi attack? Konoha's forces could still have been very depleted, and the memory of being slaughtered by a demon wouldn't make facing another one desirable.

Given the civil war that was bubbling under the surface with the Uchiha clan and Orochimaru still running around, I wouldn't fault Sarutobi for not wanting to add war with Cloud on the list of problems. Having already lost a good size of their military force and consequently having less income, funding a war may be too big of a burden to bear.

The guy who did the kidnapping was killed, and Cloud demanded retribution for the death of a diplomat. Easy solution was just to kill off a branch house member that happened to be the brother of the main house leader. Seems like a good choice to me.

 

Though, I assume if Minato had still been hokage (and alive, obviously) at that point, Cloud probably would have backed down. A guy who can take out a battlefield by having people throw kunai in the enemy's general direction is not someone you want to fuck with, no matter how awesome your military is.

 

Fiat covered the gist of what I would have said about the first war, Minato full stop.

As for this no its a terrible choice because while you aren't actually losing the head of the Hyuuga family your still telling everyone you are, your still telling people yeah they came in under false pretenses, lied to us, attacked and killed civilians and tried to kidnap a little girl to torture/experiment/rape/impregnate and ultimately murder but we're going to give them a damn prize for it.

Its not about what actually happened, its all about what people think happened and what appears to have happened is that Kumo dragged its collective nutsack across Konohas face and got a reward from Konoha for doing it.

 

Most definitely. Iirc, the Raikage though fast, is still slower than Minato.

 

Unless of course people were so tired of war after over a decade of it that they would give up almost anything to avoid it.

I also agree that without the Sannin invading Kumo would be a disaster, since going up against A and B would be almost impossible.

 

Meh I guess we just see this differently then because to me this declaration of weakness would be a sure fire way to ensure war rather than avoid it, since you more or less just announced to the world that your a bunch of pushover chumps.

Also I said nothing of invading Kumo but there are some things that require a very clear return message.

 

True, but you need to remember that Kumo would not have been in a hurry to go to war with Konoha either, regardless of pretenses. They may have clearly had the upper hand but not even Kumo would have truly been willing to go to war so soon after the last one and though aged, the Sandaime's reputation is a fearsome one- enemies would still be weary of even a weakened Konoha.

Konoha's had a long standing mystique about them to their rivals and not only have they never lost a war but they've also produced enormously powerful and legendary shinobi after legendary shinobi- the last of which defeated the Kyuubi- there was no guarantee that Sarutobi would not have defeated Kirabi (and he could have using the sealing he tried to use on Orochimaru) or that Hiraishin died with the Yondaime. Jiraiya would have come back for war as well and its likely Tsunade would either have to fight or risk the eternal hatred of all of Konoha for abandoning them (and likely nuke-nin status).

There was a good chance that the status quo would stand after giving up Hiashi so Kumo pressed on the fact that Konoha broke diplomacy by killing someone with immunity. One body (the one who killed the diplomat no less) to sweep the whole issue under the rug would be a relatively small price to pay.

The issue seemed pretty clear cut to everyone because Hiashi was ready to give himself up and the elders' only concern was the safety of the Byakugan so they suggested his brother who readily volunteered himself. It wasn't really just the Sandiame who decided someone had to be given up, everybody knew what had to be done- its something I didn't really consider until recently.

 

I agree with this. Even as an old man Sarutobi could probably best 90% of the ninja he faced. And this happened years before his fight with Orochimaru so I doubt he would have been anywhere near the state he was in when he fought Orochimaru.

I dont doubt that Jiraiya would have returned if needed and the idea of facing even one of the Sanin would not have been fun. I doubt either A or B would have been able to defeat Jiraiya separately and it wouldnt have been easy together. The addition of Tsunade would have made it even more difficult.

By this time Kakashi was well on his way to becoming the Kakashi we know now. Although its a given he wouldnt have been as skilled as he was in part 1, he was the student of Minato and a nonUchiha sharingan user.

But is this before or after Itachi did his thing? If it was before the Uchiha were destroyed that would been a major boost to Konoha's strength that is missing later. Itachi alone would have been a major factor in the war; not to mention the addition of all those sharingans.