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Possible Book 13 Blurb

Discussion in 'Fanfic Discussion' started by fuubar, May 14, 2010.

  1. Agayek

    Agayek Dimensional Trunk DLP Supporter

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    I read it as once she becomes a full wizard, the Doom is no longer applicable to Harry. If you remember, in Storm Front, Harry still had the Doom on him, for a crime committed before he was Eb's apprentice, and he was a full wizard. The Doom will likely only be lifted from Molly after some act of heroism or somesuch, some display of definitive proof that she'll never use black magic again.
     
  2. Nemrut

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    Although, this begs the question if the Doom applied at Ebb at all, seeing that he was the Blackstaff. Was he an exception or was he just as much in danger as Harry was when he took in Molly?
     
  3. Datakim

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    I wonder if helping Harry take out the entire Red Court of vampires and getting wounded in the process would count as an act of heroism.

    The Blackstaff is not a public position so making an exception for Eb due to his status could have resulted in problems from other wizards if he was not executed with Harry.

    Though in book 6 it is mentioned that he was supposed to kill Harry if Harry showed any signs of going warlock. I wonder if thats somekind of loophole to this and if the mentor wizard takes the responsibility and kills his warlock apprentice himself, he escapes the doom and his life is spared?
     
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    What I'm curious is who will by the end of next book know that Harry is alive, because it will be fun to watch reactions of people close to him to this news. Also - how long will be time skip between 'Changes' and 'Ghost Story'. Normally it is about a year, but with situation Harry is right now, I could see it being no more than few weeks.
     
  5. Oz

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    Already been confirmed that the time-skip will be about the same as in previous books.
     
  6. Ched

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    On Harry being a full Wizard and having the Doom on him -- my impression was that these things happened at the same time, so it's a different situation to Molly.

    I.e. Harry kills DuMorne in an impressive display of power. He gets taken before the White Council where Eb takes responsibility for him. They can't deny his raw power and he's already been trained by DuMorne, so they allow him membership and levy the Doom at the same time. It's removed later.

    Haven't we been told that he was a member at only 16? Or did he not get membership til after he was done staying with Eb?
     
  7. Novera

    Novera Seventh Year

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    Could someone shed some light on what this means?

    It looks like someone didn't finish a thought; or maybe I am reading something wrong.
     
  8. Datakim

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    I figure it is missing the word "far".

    So it should be:

    And the meaning is ofcourse that Harry as a ghost may encounter the ghosts of some of his enemies that he has previously killed. He could see Ortega for example. Or Bianca. Or Victor Sells from the first book. Or maybe even the warlock guy who taught him whose name I cannot recall at the moment :).

    Harry being a ghost gives Butcher the opportunity to bring in characters that have died in the books, or been dead before the series started. It has been speculated for instance that Murphy's father who committed suicide (unless he was murdered by White Court which some suspect) will join Harry and assist him, giving us more insight into Murphy. And other such characters that could be most interesting such as Harry's own father or mother.
     
  9. Joschneide

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    Harry states clearly in several instances that he was Eb's apprentice in the most literal form. He was being trained just as Molly is.

    I personally think it more likely that Molly will have the Doom removed because of her help in wiping out the Red Court. Kinda a big point in her favor. If Eb believes Harry dead he definitely won't vote to execute her after that happened. Or if not the complete removal of her Doom then I think she will gain rank as a full-fledged member. The Doom will still apply but it just means that it's not based on Harry and Molly any more.
     
  10. Datakim

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    This is actually a bit unclear in the books. Hmm. In book 4 we learn that Harry WAS given a status as a full wizard due to winning the duel against DuMorne. This is actually a significant plot-point because the Merlin tries to argue that since Harry never went through the "proper" testing he is actually not a full wizard and could therefore be given over to the Reds without problems. However he is voted down since the Gatekeeper stands with Harry. They also refer to him not as Eb's apprentice but DuMornes and in Turn Coat Ancient Mai says that Harry was not officially Eb's apprentice, even if both Eb and Harry consider it otherwise.

    What would make the most sense is that he was caught, tried and put under the doom while simultaneously raised to a Wizard due to his skill, and then because he was still a minor given over to Eb to be raised and unofficially "dealt with". However while Merlin/Council hoped that Eb would just kill Harry, Eb instead taught him. Mostly he taught Harry ethics and how the be a decent person, but given that Harry's magic-staff is constructed just like Eb's is we can assume that some magical education was going on aswell.
     
  11. Khortez

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    Reading that passage from Proven Guilty, I agree with Agayek that it probably means the same thing that it meant for Harry back when. If she becomes a full wizard the Doom will still hang over her, but not Dresden, so if she reverts only she will be killed until the Council determines that she is no longer a threat.

    Thinking about it, her best option is to try to become part of the White Council and then hope that what she and Dresden did will be enough to convince the Council to rule her way.
     
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  12. BsuperB

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    Well now, that will certainly make for an interesting read. I already find myself wanting to 'read' the story from several other PoVs such as Marcone, Murphy, Molly & Thomas, maybe Lara too rather than Harry, purely because of the x number of months between Changes & Ghost Story.

    Not that Harry's side of things won't be as interesting as always, it would just be nice to see how they've changed since then, though I daresay Butcher will visit them each in their own way via Harry's trek to et back to the realm of the Living, and protect those 3 mystery friends.
     
  13. fuubar

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    He's still wearing the coat. Not even in death shall the twain be parted.

    Awesome find, Fuu.
     
  15. Agayek

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    Yea, but the cover also has him in a hat, and I can't remember a single instance where he's ever worn a hat, and there was a joke about it in Changes I believe.
     
  16. BsuperB

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    He's worn a hat on, as far as I'm aware, every book cover to date that's had Dresden in it, despite never wearing a hat in the books, though I think in one of the books I'm sure he wore a Cowboy hat, or certainly was considering buying one.
     
  17. w1lliam

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    At least the tombstone Bianca left for him makes an actual appearance
     
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  18. Oz

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    Holy shit, I didn't even notice. That's pretty :awesome

    /me is getting excited
     
  19. fuubar

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    I tend to agree but only one of the book covers so far has actually been from a scene in the book (Changes). Still with this, I'd be disappointed if it doesn't happen.
     
  20. Bukay

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    Great cover, definitely better than the one mcGrath made for Side Jobs.

    It would seem that the duster and staff followed Dresden into afterlife (or is that McCoy;s staff??). His left hand looks fully healed as well - there's no glove on it.
     
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