And ironically for dating a Hindu. Our bad, guys.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/01/afshan-azads-family-tries_n_632978.html

 

Harsh tokes, sir.

 

As a muslim I find her family's actions despicable.

 

What has your religion got to do with anything?

 

Lol. Covert racism.

 

Regardless of the truth of the situation, that many Muslim's probably do think this is despicable, stupid shit like this is exactly why it can be easy to see the Muslim community as ignorant and backwards.

I'm no religious scholar, and I try to keep an open mind, but I have to wonder if there is actual religious precedent in Islam that justifies, in their minds, their actions.

 

There's no reason I should be the first to say it, but:

Inb4Sree

 

BadVoodoo: It depends what they are attempting to claim. There are a lot of local customs involving honor killings, and apostasy (strictly defined) is punishable by death in all the juristic schools with which I am familiar (although I must confess that I am most familiar with the Hanbali interpretation of things -- which is the most reactionary of them all). This looks a bit more like an Indian honor killing kind of thing though.

NMB: Not really. Islam is a comprehensive religion. Even John L. Esposito (the foremost apologist for Islam in the US) and Tariq Ramadan (the foremost Muslim apologist in Europe) would agree with Oz's statement. In fact, they have. I can direct you to the relevant passages in their writings if you'd like. Esposito, for instance, begins his highly regarded book Islam: The Straight Path with the argument that the Islam represents a "community state" and moves from there. Sesc's point, that this is a problem, is certainly true if you want a secular government. It is true in the same way that any comprehensive doctrine represents a problem for secularism.

The real issue is your original point: Why does anyone need to reference their religion in order to find these actions appalling? The answer is: They don't. Some things are perfectly clear to individuals based on reason alone. My guess is that dhulli (and Hash) wanted to make the point that not all Muslims think this way (and, guys, feel free to correct me if I am incorrect).

 

I wonder what they thought of her portraying a Hindu.

 

Just had a look at her Wikipedia profile, and it turns out she's from the same background as me (i.e. from Bangladesh and a Muslim born/brought up in a first-world country).

If something like that happened in my community, the parents would probably be extremely upset and would try and reason with their child about the 'problems and issues' it could cause, but wouldn't pull this sort of shit. But again I don't really know any hardliners/fundamentalists that closely, and sadly this is within the scope of what I'd expect to happen in such a circumstance.

TL;DR: I've got a similar background and this sort of crap isn't acceptable.

 

Despicable.

Further developments: The Daily Mail is reporting that Ms. Azad does not want to see her family prosecuted and is pleading with the courts to have the charges dropped.

Wait for it. Waaaait for it.

 

Seems plausible that her father and bother said "Get those charges dropped, bitch, or we'll fucking kill you."

or maybe not.

 

Did I expect anything less from a Muslim family? Nope...

throw your rotten fruit now, ladies.

 

The books never mention the Patils' religion. I'm not sure if the outfits they wore in the GoF movie were specifically Hindu dress. But if her family was going to have a problem with the role she's playing, I'd think the fact that she's supposed to be a witch would be a bigger issue.

 

Not really. Most of the problem stems from the sudden rise in number of Wahhabi Muslims, who thanks to oil money and Gulf backers (our version of Christian evangelicals), have the media strength and money to put forward their interpretations of Islam, which is made all the easier in that the dialogue in the Quran and the hadiths can be interpreted in different ways. Heck, a major Lebanese Shia priest died yesterday, and he put out fatwas advocating banning smoking and that women beat up their husbands if they were hit themselves.

While that's a point I'm usually happy to make, I'd be lying if I said it crossed my mind on this occasion. I was on yahoo when I saw it and figured I'd put it in a somewhat dead sub-forum that seemed to be discussing Harry's name, the sentience of snakes and cows and Voldemort's hobbies as of late.

Only if you're Wahhabi would you have issues with witches. They still do witch hunts actually. The rest of us just don't care.

 

I stand corrected! I just remembered you taking a similar line in past conversations on topics related to Islam and figured that you were doing so again. The Wahhabi's are a real problem in the US. They send their Quran's (and commentaries) to our prisons and convert a ton of people who later become extremely (and I hate to use this word) militant about their beliefs.

The person in charge of charity my Uni's Muslim Students Association and I were good friends for all four years we spent together there. I would go with him to Mosque and, on some occasions, he would go with me to Reconstructionist services (mostly because I only went to them from time to time.) He caught all sorts of shit from the more conservative students for that (he was quietly a Sufi, and I was less quietly an atheist.) We used to have some great disputes. With that said, they couldn't actually do what they wanted (kick him out) because there were enough moderates in the MSA to consistently outvote them. It was actually pretty interesting to watch (although it made me quite glad to be a Jew.)

Long story short: Wahhabism, and many stripes of Salafism, are vile and disgusting sets of religious beliefs which I view with a contempt equaled only by the contempt I have for the far-right theological positions staked out within other religious traditions. They exist, it seems at times, purely to impede inter-religious (and non-religious) dialogue and the world would be better off for them never having existed in the first place.

 

Link is dead, and in any case I find trying to cite the Daily Mail as a source on anything extremely objectionable. After all, I believe it has been well established that it is the only newspaper known to cause cancer should you wipe your arse with it.

In case you didn't pick up on my well concealed sardonic wit, the Daily Mail is a piece of shit and you should be ashamed for linking to it.

What's this about a beaten actress? Unfortunately honour killings and other such crimes motivated by religion (not to say that all Muslims do shit like this mind, just that some psycho's believe their particular holy books entitle them to beat women) are an area the UK struggles with. In many cases its tough for the police to build a case if the psycho religious views are not in a minority in the community so lets hope Azad sticks it out and has them done.

Then they can get out and shoot her and a copper 12 months later right? (TOPICAL)