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A bot to clean fanfiction.net?

Discussion in 'Fanfic Discussion' started by Dark Minion, Sep 18, 2010.

  1. Red Aviary

    Red Aviary Hogdorinclawpuff ~ Prestige ~ DLP Supporter

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    Apparently that's the key phrase, and apparently he's made sure that's not the case. According to a few posts on that forum of his, anyway.
     
  2. Kensington

    Kensington Denarii Host DLP Supporter

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    Going through a list of stories to be reported the LU (or is it LI) website, he seems to have a serious hate-on for author's notes. Author creates a stat sheet for an OC? Reported! Author lists spells or jutsu introduced in the chapter? Reported! Author uses script dialogue to introduce a story? Reported! Even though the last one is pretty lame.

    This guy is bored and reporting stories just to be a dick. It will be interesting to see if he even gets anything banned. So far every story reported by the trial versions of redbootton is still on the site. Hopefully the ff.net admins realize that this is just the work of an idiot with too much free time.
     
  3. Jormungandr

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    So, his bot's violating the ToS, right?
     
  4. Riley

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    How in hell do you copyright something on FF.net to a name that is fucking made up?
     
  5. Jormungandr

    Jormungandr Prisoner

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    Uh...magic? Retardism?
     
  6. The Santi

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    Hahahah! A PM I was sent by this slash fangirl makes a lot more sense now.

    At the risk of breaking Net-etique, I present this gem sent to me by Unbidden-Angel at the start of September:

    When I got her PM, I was like 'wtf is this bitch babbling about?' and I couldn't bother to actually read the massive rants in her profile. This RedBotton explains some things.

    Here is her profile.
     
  7. Andro

    Andro Master of Death DLP Supporter

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    I fully support this. If the guy gets his way, several ten thousands of shitty slashfics will be cleansed. That means no more Harry/Draco, Harry/Snape, Harry/Dursley rape fics. It will actually be possible to browse FFnet.

    Even at the cost of legitimately excellent and decent fics with unfortunate mentions of smut, that's absolutely fine with me. If you want to be on the safe side, then edit out the Nc17 scenes and post them elsewhere, on PatronusCharm or ficwad.

    LT2000 did it, Mrriddler did it, for precisely this reason. You have examples of a single reviewer getting high-profile stories (joeHundredaire and Shezza88 for example) taken down. If you can't be fucked, then you have no excuse. If someone's inactive and can't edit his work, they aren't likely to care, and those that like them enough can archive those stories with private copies.

    Here's to hoping the cleansing will happen. Knowing reality though, it probably won't, and FFnet will continue being a swamp of shit.
     
  8. Dark Syaoran

    Dark Syaoran No. 4 Admin

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    And you've missed how he is reporting authors notes. And how it will pick up keywords that can be used in stories that don't even contain matieral that breaks the rules. Even at the cost of excellent and decent fics? Please leave.
     
  9. Antivash

    Antivash Until we meet again... DLP Supporter Retired Staff

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    :facepalm

    I cannot count the ways this post makes me hate you. There are a few positives to the idea, but the potential abuse and innocent crossfire this is going to kick up makes it not simply a bad idea, but a zeph/mknote bad idea.

    I shouldn't have to edit my shit because you're too much of a douche to avoid stories and feel the need to censor everyone because you don't like a topic/subject. I shouldn't have to do anything to cater to your ignorance but say "Hey! There may be something here you don't like! Move along, please!".

    The simple fact that he doesn't care that a bunch of innocuous words could get caught up in this all, is enough reason to trash the project. Master Slytherin got bashed to hell and back when he tried to edit out Bio's comments in one post while he was still regularly visiting.

    Congratulations, Andromalius. Enjoy your 5000 douche points. Get the fuck out of my site (herpderppunintended). :|
     
  10. Stalin's Pipe Organs

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    Never thought the fucking moral guardians would get to fanfiction.net.

    Loath as I am to say it, I agree with the slash fangirl. (Although not exactly for her reasons.) Some of them are valid though. Reporting smut and even reporting fics based on the presence of a single fucking word is a big no no.

    I am no prominent member of DLP so I can't say that I really can speak for the community, but I think we do need to take a stand. Reporting this guy's stories maybe? Sending him a lot of PM's? As a matter of fact I really don't like the idea of supporting slash fans but here it does have merit. Something like this WILL cause authors to move away from ff.net. While them moving to patronuscharm.net is desirable, most wont since other alternative fanfic hosting websites don't provide nearly the readership as ff.net. This naturally will cause the decrease of fanfic output and in the long run, the fanfiction of the type that we enjoy reading.

    Lord Kelvin strikes me like the sort of person who doesn't care if a few "innocents" get in the way. This cannot be tolerated.
     
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  11. Perspicacity

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    Pretty much this. I oppose this bot for the same reasons that I oppose polygraphing--the technology is incapable of being reliable. Filters are either too porous to be useful or else they will have large numbers of false positives.

    I applaud the intention of the LU to rid ff.net of shitfics. From what I can tell, they have a devoted cadre who suffer through the worst, flaming in reviews and flagging to the site operators as they see fit. However, automating marking stories and not having a human vet what the computer turns up is irresponsible as hell. Nowhere in the TOS is it stated that one's story must pass some arbitrary lexicographical test to be safe to post.
     
  12. Stalin's Pipe Organs

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    This is ridiculous. Most people put warnings on their fics, and if you don't want to read something explicit (or something slash or femmeslash for that matter), you just don't read it. It's that simple. Live and let live. I hate morons on power trips like this.
     
  14. Fiat

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    the lulziest part of this is that having clicked on two of his fics, both of them included a short author's note preceded by the words 'Author's Note.'

    Unless he had the foresight to Whitelist himself, he's gonna take out his own shit.
     
  15. Tehan

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    FFN will always be >99% shit. This bot will not change that. What it will do, however, is get a few actually decent fics deleted, either deliberately or accidentally, forcing the author to either deal with the FFN fuckwads or give up on FFN altogether and effectively cut off 90% of their walk-in readers. Both options suck huge juicy balls.

    So fuck his couch.
     
  16. pdo91

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    I don't even know what to say to this.

    Every single member of DLP does just fine avoiding slash fics without using anything but our brains, and many don't give the courtesy of warnings at the beginning. Most of the more gratuitous fics do give warnings, though, so the things that might be extra "offensive" are even easier to avoid.

    This is just some obsessive rule-monger with delusions of adequacy. Hopefully, the admins will ignore him (or better yet, ban him) and this whole business will be forgotten.

    On another note, DLP has spoiled me - the complaint forum over at FF.net is disheartening.
     
  17. Andro

    Andro Master of Death DLP Supporter

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    It's not going through. I guess that fact doesn't make me less of a douchebag, but you can take consolation in that.

    99% of FFNet's stuff is shit, but a significant portion of it is slash. So if it hypothetically leads to most of these stories being deleted, then that percentage, at least in the HP section, would be much, much lower.

    Since so many FFNet readers are fans of slash though, this would impact the readership that many authors have, and people would have lower reviews.

    So even if it goes through under the ideal conditions where great fics are preserved and it exclusively targets slash and the terrible Harry/harem modh-style hetero fics, we'd still end up getting screwed over. And no matter what we say, most of us covet those reviews. That's the unfortunate reality.

    I concede selfishness since I saved most of those "legitimately excellent and decent" outside the DLP archive made by Bornagainpenguin in 2008.

    If this actually results in something big happening, I'll read an entire page of 20,000K long Harry/Draco stories under the M listing and provide detailed summaries of each one to prove I read them. However, that will not happen, and I don't feel the need to manufacture rage is against a theoretical possibility that it will happen when FFnet will either not do anything or actively shut him down.

    Edit: I'll read an entire page of 100,000K long slash stories, while simultaneously invoking the Tempting Fate trope. That's how confident I am this won't happen.
     
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  18. Antivash

    Antivash Until we meet again... DLP Supporter Retired Staff

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    So. Because you're a homophobic asshole with ridiculously high standards, everyone on the internet should suffer for your ego?

    That's seriously all I can read out of what you're posting. The fact that, hypothetically or not, you would support this... The level of retardation this implies. One thousand facepalming cat pictures cannot actively convey my disgust at that.

    Whether or not its going to happen doesn't mean anything. Glenn Beck runs his mouth of all the fucking time, and half the shit he says and threatens to do never happens. That doesn't stop people from calling him a fucking psychopathic nutjob racist.

    Ditto you and your hate of free literature. At the risk of sounding like a douchebag for quoting it: I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

    If you can't accept that fanfiction doesn't bend to your absolute standards and list of pet peeves and cliches aren't obeyed blindly, fucking stop reading it. Its that simple.
     
  19. Andro

    Andro Master of Death DLP Supporter

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    At the moment, I'm taking a Modern Queer Literature Course, and there's a divide between the works of Walt Whitman and of FirePhoenix8 and FaeScribe35. Calling the latter as free literature is giving them too much credit, but I'll stop digging the hole I'm burying myself in.
     
  20. Antivash

    Antivash Until we meet again... DLP Supporter Retired Staff

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    You know, I'm not really racist when I tell nigger jokes. I have black friends!

    ...Yeah... Thats what you just said. As for the value of their literature, its a fucking opinion. And you know whats great about opinions? They're fucking pointless, because the chances of someone in the world agreeing with absolutely everything you say is pretty slim.

    So fucking Ayn Rand, Asimov, or fucking xxxniggersrapingchinksxxx (LOLOLIHASBLACKANDASIANFRIENDS!NOTRACIST!), you don't have the right to tell someone they can't do something because they disagree with your opinion on how it should be done.

    Jesus, I mean... Did you think at all before you posted that first spat of mindiarreha?
     
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