Gangs of New York/Harry Potter crossover anyone?

By the way, I've always thought that Daniel Day-Lewis would be great as Tom Riddle in his first rise to power.

 

It did. Now we know you're going through adolescence, the stage in life where you believe yourself to be very mature and you're actually not.

But don't worry; you'll grow out of it. We all did.

 

Yeah, you're right. That's totally Rowling's idea of a happy ending. I mean, just look at Ginny and Hermione. They were stuck with (respectively) a decent Quidditch career followed by a job at the Daily Prophet, and two influential and important positions at the Ministry where she rewrote most of the Pureblood bullshit. What a sad end for them...oh. Wait.

 

Actually, your answers made me laugh. It's funny how you people presume things about someone. You call inmature and insult just because an opinion OR for how it sounded because of my shitty english?

First off, no adolescence, no basement, you failed. It's especially funny coming from people who spend their time reading and posting shit about some finished story that failed, while insulting and presuming more stupid shit from newbies.

There are very few things that Rowling created that are worth mentioning. The world yes, which authors like enembe have made a much better work with, and a couple of characters like Dumbledore and Tom Riddle (young).

@Xenks Did you actually read the part where they can actually find powerful lost magic but that I said that it was mostly routine? Yes they can find, but like in archeology I very much doubt that they spend every day fighting and discovering amazing new things. That's what I wanted to point out.
I am actually sure that torturing and killing is not aiming to eliminate right? Bellatrix anyone? Yes, a gang war in which one side doesn't seem willing to do what it's necesary, and again, another one presuming things about people.

As for the other things, I guess my heavy dislike for certain characters blinded me. I apologize if my rant offended you, oh great members of DLP.

except Bill as bad ass. His description in the books actually pictured him as a hippy in my mind. Probably drunk at the time anyway.

 

Buddy, I don't know if you've noticed, but the world Rowling created is the reason you're here. You can say a lot of things about Harry Potter, but Rowling's skill when it comes to world-building is not up for debate.

Whether you like the story or not, appreciate the characters or not, love the situations, scenes, and whatever else you care to comment on, the Harry Potter verse remains to date one of the most abso-fucking-lutely spectacular, detailed and engaging worlds to be created, and to suggest otherwise in a Harry Potter forum, particularly this one, speaks volumes of what you think and how.

Of course we don't fucking know you. And of course our opinion of you comes from what you post here and how. We don't presume things about you, we assume things based on what you say.

This is a forum. As a rule, unless you know a DLP member IRL, what you say is who you are. We don't fucking know if you live in a basement, and we don't fucking care either. Post intelligently and present solid arguments and you'll be respected. Spew bullshit out of every orifice and, in everyone's best interest, said orifices will be blocked with cocks.

 

There are a few flaws in the series, most notable the romance issues and the behavior of the characters in the last two books, but you are right. The authoress has created a very well detailed and magical (sorry, had to use that pun!) world that many people of all age groups can immerse themselves in. That's a lot more than what most other authors have been able to do, amateur or not.

Also, there's Tolkiens 'Middle Earth' saga, the 'Dune' universe created by Frank Herbert and then -later on- continued by his son and his son's friend, and Stephen King's Dark Tower universe, for other notable examples by other authors.

 

Funniest shit I've read all day. Also, my favorite thread atm.

@ Sesc: lol your theory was ignored a second time. Or it would be, if not for me.
I agree with you, when you say that it wasn't a war, except that I always saw it more like the communists party overthrown of monarchy in Russia than Hitler's Germany pre WWII.
Harry isn't the only one that had to flee, because half bloods, muggle borns and people known to oppose Voldemort in the past were also targeted (if I remember correctly).
I wish that JKR would've at least touched on the subject of international politics and commercial relations between different magical communities.


@ whoever said that Fleur's family is poor: Her mother is half veela. There is no such thing as a poor veela. Her knowing household magic may suggest that she doesn't like house elves or doesn't want to own one because they can both be placed in the 'non human category'.

 

Actually, unless it was stated in the original book, I don't think that Fleur, her sister and her mother are simply 'half-veela'...I think that's just how many people have interpreted the text (much like how someone with a white mother/father and a black mother/father would be of mixed race, and not completely white or black like their parents).

The portrayal of Fleur and her relatives by normal actresses (with no special effects or anything to highlight their veela nature) also (perhaps subconsciously?) reinforces this belief that people have developed, although someone on this board once said that they could of chosen that actress who played Fleur because of the sharp (somewhat avian?) features that she had, as a subtle nod to the character's unasked nature.

Obviously to confirm all of this, I'll have to re-read the Goblet of Fire, so maybe I am wrong.

Also, on the WOMBAT test, there were a series of questions that had four true answers and one false answer. One of the questions within one of the question batches was, "There are no male veela."

If the above is one of the truthful answers and not the false one out of the five, it makes sense that every girl born in a family with a veela heritage would be a full veela, otherwise the race would die out when marrying wizards.

Or, at least a full veela for several generations, before it starts to dilute: marrying another veela into the family a few generations down the line would strengthen the existing veela blood again by injecting new life into it via the resulting offspring.

This also fits with what was in the original written text, since Mr. Delacour was obviously a wizard and human.

This is wild conjecture on my part, but perhaps this could also help explain why Fleur (aside from the common sense explanations like love, time and maturity already mentioned by other people within this thread) had changed so much from how she was in the Goblet of Fire to that of the later books.

Like how normal men and women consider the features/attractiveness of potential partners by how they look (for example, eye colour, hair colour, muscles, boobs, etc), perhaps that since most men are turned into drooling idiots around veela in general (see Ron), those who aren't so much or are immune/highly resistant to the allure (see Harry) are placed 'higher on the list' when it comes to the listing the features of a potential partner. It would be much like how some people prefer blonde haired woman over brunette haired women, so the blonde woman would get that person's attention first over the brunette. This would mean that whilst it would not automatically guarantee a veela to court you just because you're immune or resistant to her allure, it does give you a better chance than the average male (who would always be a drooling moron).

There's also the possibility that males grow immune or resistant to the charm/allure over time, like a growing immunity, or something like that in that vein of thinking.

For Fleur to find Bill, who was attractive and immune/resistant to her allure, it'd possibly be a god send for a veela like her, if things worked out (e.g., normal dating).

Canon!Harry wouldn't of really had a chance with Fleur...but a fan fiction Harry that didn't essentially have shit for brains (see canon!Harry) might have a chance with her, if he was characterized correctly.

Edit: also, my past, present and future tense in my post seems to be fucked. I guess posting at 4:41AM does that for ya, so please excuse the mess, folks!

 

IMO we should ignore the whole veela heritage thing and concentrate more on Fleur.
What we know from GoF is, that she is proud, determined, talented and obviously pretty.That's it, nothing more.
The way her parents are portrayed, we can guess, that Fleur is of average upbringing, neither rich nor poor.
This guess is further enhanced, because of her already mentioned personality.

"We 'ave all be 'oping to be chosen for weeks and weeks! Ze honour for our schools! A thousand Galleons prize money - zis is a chance many would die for!"

She wants to accomplish something (fame, wealth or just success) by herself.

I know this all seems a bit pointless, but that's the way I see her, without the absurd stuff of HBP and DH.
IMO it would be good point for this thread, if we can compare the different views/opinions of Fleur.

For a working Harry/Fleur, Harry just has to be a bit more "bitter"or "jaded"(don't know what sounds better),
because of obvious reasons.(Dursleys, second year and now Gof)
He would start working for himself, he wouldn't care about cheating (Bagman's help,maybe even seeking "Moody's help) and we already know he has talent (third year;patronus)...that would also erase his whiny and to an extent his lazy streaks.
(and for the Ron-bashers, he would be able to hold grudges)

That's just one believable change, which could transform Canon/Harry in something worthy.

 

Honestly? I think that Fleur inherited nothing but her appearance from her veela grandmother.

Ron and all the other hormone-driven adolescents just use that as an excuse to justify jerking off until their wrists are too limp to cast a wingardium leviosa properly. And so they don't need to apologize for looking so far down her top that they actually drool on her - it was HER fault.

Fucking sexy French bitch.

 

Dude, everyone else needed to be even bigger pussies so that pussy Harry could rise to the top and the hero.

 

Fleur in GOF, is a somewhat narcissistic, snarky bitch, with brains, and above average talent, and obviously not just a little above average beauty. Two years down the road, she's matured, and married to Bill Weasley.

THAT'S IT. Not considering that both characters had about ten pages of screen time exclusively for the entire HP book series, its no wonder you're confused, and grasping at straws.

Allow me to clear it up for you: Fleur's a babe. Bill's a Curse-Breaker. They fell in love. Had a baby.

Conjecture, implications, influence, doesn't matter, because simply, there are no prevalent facts, theories, or data to suggest otherwise. Fleur never explicitly stated her reasons for being attracted to Bad Ass Bill Weasley, now did she?

Why don't you just work on a fic with HP/Fleur as a pairing if you're so inclined?

 

Conjecture, implications, influence does matter, because it's needed to write a believeble Fanfic.character, which doesn't clash with its canon-counterpart.

Imo this is already more than enough for a capable author to write said Fanfic.character. About her reasons to marry "Bad Ass Bill Weasley", I guess, that's also up to the author.


Why I don't write a story myself ?

Most people, myself included, just lack the talent to write something enjoyable.
And others don't try it, because they fear to blow everything out of all proportions. That's the problem with Fleur-stories, they are either too epic (Wastelands of Time) or Fleur is just a pretty face (the majority).

 

This.

Don't forget the constantly used cliches (veela bonds, 'mates', etc), too.

 

The bolded could actually make sense, seeing as Fleur is part magical creature. But I suppose you were referring to the predestined mates cliche, which is utterly ridiculous, I agree.

 

Or that her Father is the minister of Magic in France and her family is obscenely rich, and so on.

 

Yup, they're more well used ones.

 

I even read a story with Fleur being somekind of spy/ÆON FLUX or whatnot.

Maybe it's my lack of imagination, but I just can't enjoy such stories.