Hi,

I recently during the holidays I had read the books straight through, mostly because I was traveling a lot and had to pass the time, but something that struck out at me, and because of my own story has me thinking about it too, but does anybody know/have an opinion if Harry got the Phoenix wand because of the Horcrux inside of him or if that is just a bit of coincidence?

 

That's never been officially stated, so people have formed their own opinions.

Still, Harry was destined to oppose Voldemort, so getting his brother wand was in due course, I think. That, and it was appropriately dramatic, the 'light-side' version of Voldemort's wand.

 

Yep. Wands, the Scar, the prophetic dreams, all linked via the Prophecy/Fate.

While they do share cores from the same phoenix, JKR chose the woods for their traditional, English lore (note, not Celtic) descriptions.

 

What I wanna know is just how many people tried to snag the Elder wand from Harry, once it's existence was outed during the final battle.

And if he ever gave Draco his wand back.

 

That'd be hilarious. Harry giving his wand back to Draco wouldn't make it work for him so Draco would have to follow him around trying to fuck up his day and get back the wand.

 

I think that the elder wand is the only wand that is so fickle in it's allegiances.

The wand of another will choose to work for you if you defeat the individual it choose, but all wants but the elder want will continue to work for the individual they picked to begin with.

 

Is that a crackfick plot bunny I see thar?

Would be brilliant, in the right hands.

 

Its not mentioned specifically. But the Holly and phoenix feather wand works fine for him after he repairs it with the Elder wand. In DH, its given -

The Horcrux was gone from him by this time.

So I guess it would have chosen him in first year even without the Horcurx.

 

The whole bit behind the scar was the fact that it didn't influence who Harry was. The only thing that got through was parseltongue, which was more of a physical capability (like a scar lol) than a facet of his personality. If Voldemort had been actively using the link in 1st year, then that might've been a different story.

 

You're all missing the forest for the trees here; Sure, there's an aspect of Harry v Voldemort and prophecy and yada yada in Harry's wand, but ultimately it's about the fact both Harry and Voldemort "rise from the ashes" so to speak, which is exactly what phoenices are best known for. Harry not only survives the Killing Curse at one, he survives it again at 17. Voldemort survives one reflected Killing Curse (or whatever magic cunt-blasted him back in '81), and rose again, stronger than before.

And the fact that Harry's wand still worked for him post-Scarcrux? Duh - it'd been working smashingly for him for almost seven years already, right up to the point Hermione tagged it, so why the fuck /wouldn't/ it still work for him once repaired?

And yes, JKR's choice of wand-woods is an interesting read, especially Harry having holly and LV having yew, once you read about what those trees symbolized for Druids, etc.

 

About the Elder Wand and its allegiance; just how fickle is it? I mean, can Harry no longer have friendly duels for fear of losing it? Would a sly Expelliarmus to the back win the Elder from him? Or is it a case of it needing true struggle to win its power?

Also, since Harry won it from Draco by stealing his normal wand, that means if someone took the Holly and Phoenix wand from Harry they'd also win the Elder?

 

All I know is that Harry is a fucking idiot in book 7 when he tells everyone in the Great hall that he got the Elder wand, especially after all the discussions about "the owners of the Elder wand have been murdered because they couldn't shut the hell up about it".

 

Coming Back Late deals with this premise. Harry fakes his own death and disappears with all three Hallows, in hopes that when he dies (having never been defeated because he's always hidden) the power of the Elder Wand will be broken.

It's pretty well-written, but the plot is a bit out of left field at times. H/Hr for those who care.

 

I've been following 'Coming Back Late', and I find it quite the interesting read; it's an interesting 'What If?' scenario, especially with the cracks that still show within Ron and Hermione's shattered relationship. (Although I do find the 'Witch-Who-Won' angle complete crap).

That, in itself, is hinted by the author (it also being her/his opinion) that the reason why Hermione and Ron's relationship in the Epilogue was so stable, was because of Harry's 'third party/unintentional' stabilizing influence on their marriage, akin to the friendship they had in Hogwarts.

No Harry, no stability.

I'm actually looking forward to the next chapter, where Ginny discovers Harry still being alive.

 

I thought Coming Back Late was finished now, so I made the mistake of giving it a read. I'd almost started reading it long ago on Portkey, but held off when it was incomplete.

It's not badly written overall; in fact it's quite good in places, but the last couples chapters, well... the author has finally, fully succumbed to the cliche that fucking ruins so very many H/Hr fics: the "How stupid I was to not realize how incredible Hermione Granger is. Now I must respond to any slight on her as if I were a rabid dog. Oh, and even though it says earlier in the story, point blank, explicitly and repeatedly that I, Harry Potter, am not one to allow myself to be brow-beaten, I must also now become a slavish lap-dog, content to WATCH HERMIONE SLEEP."

Fucking Christ. This story had some potential, despite the critical failure of Hermione killing Voldemort, and the almost-bashing of Ron and Ginny. But now, the author has set phasers to Full Bash, and gone to a disturbing mix of saccharine and Twilight with it. The plot was decent despite Harry's idiotic reasoning for leaving and the aforementioned Hermione-kills-Voldemort, but after 22 chapters, I'm ready for the end, wherein (a) Ron will die, (b) Ginny will either die or suffer a serious comeuppance, and Harry will meekly and contritely return to the magical world to continue his second-fiddling to Hermione.

So yeah, it's in full rot mode now, but I guess I'm invested enough to see it through if the author can wrap it up soon.

Goddamnit.

 

Coming Back is at chapter 38 on portkey. Not sure why the writer releases an old chapter every few weeks on ff.

 

You're fucking kidding me, right?

 

First things first The Elder Wand, like all wands seems to work on anyone who picks them. Normal wands choose a person most compatible to them, that person will get the highest effect of the wand, but it can be used by others, after it has chosen a master (Barty Crouch Jr. used Harry's wand, which he stole or picked up after Harry dropped it, to cast the Dark Mark). They can however choose the work better for a person, who defeats their former master in real combat (aka Draco's Wand after Harry beat the ponce), if they still work for the original master after that is a bit unclear (Harry's wand was simply destroyed, not claimed by someone else).

The Elder Wand seems to be the only wand, that does not work properly against it's real master, even though it can be used by others. However this only seems true in the case, that the real master actually makes a claim for the wand and fights back. That's the only reason why Voldy's first AK with the wand against Harry worked, Harry didn't fight back, nor did he claim the wand.

As for getting rid of the Hallows. In my opinion there was actually a very good alternative for getting rid of the Hallows, the Veil of Death (No doubt this has been discussed before). Anything that passes through that, be it a living being or a piece of wood with some animal tissue in it, will be destroyed forever. So in my opinion when JKR wrote that Harry would simply not use it and bury it in Dumbledore's tomb was an utter failure.

1. Like said the whole damn castle heard that the Wand was real and that Harry was now it's master and that to be able to fully use it. The fact that Dumbledore was it's former master, means that if someone looking for it didn't find it with Harry, they would look it in Dumbledore's relics next (Atleast if the Witch or Wizard would have any braincells and common sense left). Just because Voldemort was gone, that didn't mean that the Wizarding World wasn't full of evil magic users, who would kill for that kind of power (Most simply weren't strong enough to be considered a Dark Lord/Lady).
2. He chucked the rock into the Forbidden Forest and quite frankly that's gets a lot of traffic from centaurs to misbehaving students. It would only be a matter of time until someone would stumble on it.
3. The cloak is really overrated out of the three. It's supposed to make the someone completely undetectable, even by Death, yet the Marauder's Map, Moody's magic eye and some trick from Dumbledore could see through it. It propably doesn't hide the smell of a person either so a dog or a werewolf could most likely smell them.

But on the other hand about the whole Brother Wands -mess; personally if I found, that my wand had a brother (and if I had any knowledge of the effects of two such wands), I would either try to buy the other wand, destroy it or buy a spare wand. Quite frankly if the Death Eaters had been realistic and Voldemort had not been such an eco-maniac, Harry Potter would and shold have been killed by one of the Death Eater's, while he was busy trying to control the Priori Incantem...

On the other hand, what do you feel about people changing Harry's wand in fanfics? Personally it actually gives Harry a more realistic change, because any two spells from the wands colliding would cause the Priori-effect.

Personally I find it quite refreshing, though I do hope some authors would limit it to maximum of two types of wood and two types of core materials per wand. Any more than that in my opinion is a bit overkill.

On the other hand, I also like some authors who base the Unicorn Hair-wands somewhat on the books, because in the books it seems that anyone with a unicorn hair -wand seems to be unable to perform truly dark magic (That also includes Draco Malfoy, who had a unicorn hair -wand. Did he ever cast an Unforgivable? I don't remember if Ron ever used one...). Those who use the Unforgivables seem to use mainly the Dragon Heartstring -wands or in the few cases Phoenix Feather or Something Else.

 

Learn to read between the lines. They're not "from Death himself" - just relics from three very talented wizards.

<sigh> The Prior Incantato effect is different from the Priori Incantatem spell, and was obscure enough that Dumbledore was taken aback that it had happened. Do you think wizards are dueling in the streets everyday, and having this effect occur? No, it's rare, if for no other reason than wizards aren't blasting each other left and right.

It's not auto-fail, but it's normally done so incredibly badly that I just don't care for it.

No. There was at one time a belief that having a unicorn-hair wand meant you were gonna die, since Cedric supposedly had a unicorn-hair wand, etc. Can't remember all the details now, but it was speculated that Ron would die because of it, etc.

Malfoy couldn't kill Dumbledore for a lot of reasons, but he was certainly about to cast the Cruciatus on Harry earlier in HBP. The thing that stopped him then, of course, was Harry's wtfpwning him with Snape's bad-ass Sectumsempra curse.

 

Why would you have to be Dark/Evil to want it?