I think the most unreasonable part of all this is Harry is a teenager completely surrounded by babes who want him, and there isn't even a thought of romance or a moment of indiscretion, over a period of over two years. Of course this is esama, rabid slasher, so even the thought of a naked girl is probably enough to make this Harry throw up.

The drabble thing is a turn off, Harry's motivations in leaving England to Voldemort without a fight are very suspect, random BS like Harry losing a leg is groan-worthy. Aside from all that, Weir is in it so I was contractually obligated to finish it once I started reading.

2/5

 

Complete agreement! Things should make sense! But what does this have to do with-

He's talking about the Cultures in Atlantis.

Wier spends her free time in the city doing stuff that's useful and important.

Harry acts like a retard.

Him going out to see other worlds makes sense, sure, even if his reasons are stupid and his actions largely pointless. But he doesn't go out all the time.

Doesn't he have bigger things to worry about?

This is a stupid reason, though. And doesn't make sense. He carries his wand everywhere and used Atlantis to create, like, fifty extras.

And the problem is, when he does use magic, he waits until the last minute to do it. It makes for drama, but also for stupidity.

Thing is, that's not what's going on. A number of the cultures in Atlantis came before the science dudes that new how to artificially inseminate. And among those groups, there were a bunch of smoking hot women who saw him through around magic and they were all like 'Get inside me!'

And Harry's all like 'I can't!'

And everyone was like 'Why not? Do you not want children? Would it not be better for Atlantis?'

And Harry was like 'Naw, I'm just a pussy. Let's wait until a culture with science shows up so I don't have to, you know, touch any women.'

He didn't need to use artificial insemination; there were a bunch of sexy woman who saw his magic and suddely wanted his cock more than their next breath.

But no; his having children isn't completely stupid. How he acts, however, is. Again, the mother of one of his children takes her unborn son away and gives him a loving happy life away from the dangers of Atlantis and all the people that want to kill the people in Atlantis. She raises him and gives him a good childhood and returns only when he's old enough (and even then, only because his magic is starting to hurt him...apparently).

Harry procedes to act like a complete tard.

(Also, their names. Ugh.)

 

Heh you didnt see the first chapter author note thinking about pairing Harry with his bodyguard?

Perhaps note though...

@Taure:

I see what you mean.

They have FUCKING MAGIC. And they died from the COLD!?

You can make FIRE. OUT OF NOWHERE.



WHAT.

 

On the other hand, there isn't much stuff to burn in Antarctica. So they'll have to - what, keep casting warming charms (people tire, even wizards), or keep making fire "out of nowhere" which gets smothered by the blizzard every time (ditto).

Not that there's no plot hole - how the hell did they manage to reach Antarctica? Apparition isn't likely (though I don't know the canon stance on long-distance apparition), and if they got somebody to make a portkey, why didn't they have one for a return journey? How the hell did they know it was in Antarctica? Etc etc.

But as the author is totally mum about the details, I can go with the explanation. Fuck logic, I rather like the fic. In a non-brainy, give suspension of disbelief a hand, read to pass the time kind of way.

Repeat: 4/5 in entertaining me. (Btw, I have zilch experience in SGA/SG, but this has made me kinda interested.)

 

Conjuring there is,
wood and fire and sheep too
are not hard to make

 

Yeah, with all that, I wonder why wizards even have markets. Should be able to conjure anything they want anytime they want, right? No need to buy food or clothes.

Eh, what the hell. Not intersted in this, not when it's past three in the morning.

 

They take turns when casting warming charms on each other.

Rotate and bingo, no worries of being too tired.

Simple.

 

...why do they even need to cast the warming charm more than once?

Same goes for the fire. Hermione's bluebell flames burned indefinitely, and she made them in First Year.

That's the wonderful thing about magical fire: it doesn't behave like normal fire.

 

For example:

That one fire that Hagrid was giving as a gift to the Giants (the name of which I could be fucked to remember) which burnt endlessly and even underwater.

Fiendfyre, which can't be put out by non-magical means. Might be a bit extreme but if it's that or freezing to death...

Basically, 'It's Magic, Bitches.'

 

I wonder if that includes behaving like a heat source... lol.

Anyway, my point is: Antarctica is a rather hostile environment. And considering it's Voldemort, he's doubtlessly chosen a place to hide his horcrux that would forcefully repel outsiders, even more than what's usual in the Antarctic. Maybe the place was magically cold? Maybe Voldemort left some curse to make sure magical fires won't work in the area? (In fact, that would be a stroke of genius - wizards thinking like you guys would strut in thinking the cold can go fuck itself - and then find out their warming charms and magical fires might as well be tripping jinxes for all their usefulness - in the middle of a blizzard. Fucking pathetic way to die.)

We can play this back and forth all week, because the author (very sensibly) didn't give us any information beyond the vaguest sketch. Based on only that, I can accept that on and Hermione might have frozen from the cold. Any number of sources, mundane or magical, might have excerbated the situation. They might not even have been aware of it.

I think I've already expended all the energy I would on this particular point of conversation. Fuck this. :|

 

Since that is literally the definition of fire, yes. Otherwise, it would just be a light source. WHile you can make it burn for a long time and under water and consider it magical, if it's not giving off heat, then it isn't fire.

Also, that's stupid are you're reaching.

Any plot you need to make up retarded explinations for is a stupid plot. It is the authors job to make the plot make sense, not the readers. If the readers need to do the work, then the story sucks.

Seriously, dude; you can come up with explinations for any fic, no matter how shit (Maybe the Twipires have a curse on them that makes them sparkle, but, as an accident, protects them from the sun).

You shouldn't have to.

(Besides which, your particular expliations are stupid, since they would be easily solved.)

 

Wow, on the one hand magical fire doesn't behave like normal fire, on the other it must act like fire since it's, y'know, fire.

Wizards (who are also teenagers, and not that experienced - but I won't even go there) being incapable of freezing to death in the Antarctic is what I find stupid. But I suppose that's just me.

Also, just what aspect of Voldemort leaving a curse for anybody trying to get his horcrux did you find stupid? (Notice I never said he was ultimately responsible for Ron and H dying, I only said he could have been, but nevertheless I'm interested in how you dismiss something already supported by canon: re the Inferi scene in HBP.)

If you want to call the possibility I mentioned stupid, feel free (it's the net after all) - but don't expect too many people to take you seriously unless you specify why.

(What I really wanted to say was be logical or stfu, but what the hell, knock yourself out.)

P.S. I'm curious, would you guys have been satisfied if the author just changed the backstory of Ron and Hermione dying because of magic instead of the cold?

 

The bit where it was over the entire Antarctic.

There are many types of magical fire. Some seem to behave much like normal fire, once lit - such as a simple "Incendio". On the other hand, many types seem to be able to burn without any fuel, such as bluebell flames or gubraithian fire.

In any case, the fire point is off the point. No need to warm yourself with fire like a Muggle when you can stay warm with the aforementioned warming charm.

 

Um - where did I specify it was over the entire Antarctic?

They stumble upon the right place, curse does what it's supposed to do, people die. That was pretty much the point of my explanation. And the curse makes them freeze to death, even though they keep casting warming charms like crazy, 'cause the curse is, also, magic.

I'm pointing out it's a possibility. The fic might deserve slamming for a lot of things, but not for this bit of backstory which is somewhat possible (given the lack of details we can easily think up a scenario if people actually want to de-suspend their disbelief), and which the author has admitted is a cop-out because she didn't want those two people in the story dragging it down.

 

According to the HP wiki, Bluebell Flames was used to provide heat and light in varying amounts. I'm not sure if these examples are strictly canon or if movie-verse has crept into it.

Hermione used Bluebell flames to keep her and her friends warm while outside on a cold winter's day during the Philosopher's Stone. She also used it to keep warm and cook with during the horcrux hunt.
http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Bluebell_flames

 

In which case, the problem is that they never find the place where the horcrux is hidden. They die before they can find it. Which is why I assumed you were implying that the "cold curse" was over the entire Antarctic - it says right there in the AN that they didn't find the horcrux.

Also,

I think you're trying to defend something that even the author thinks deserves slamming.

 

They might have stumbled into the general area. It won't be much of a curse if it activates after they find the horcrux. And leaving that aside, "they can't die from freezing to death because they're wizards!" or "All the problems in the world can be handled with a suitable application of magic" are the kind of stances that irritate me instinctively.

Considering what we swallow in every fanfic we read, I think this bit of "messy" (but not blow-your-mind illogical) backstory is simply being blown out of proportion. There might've been a hundred reasons two people froze to death in the Antarctic. "That only happens to normal people!" is something I'd rather not hear people saying. Makes a lot of stuff in life sound trivial.

And that's all I have to say about it. Let's agree to disagree.

 

See that's the thing. With magic, especially the HP system, a lot of (maybe most) stuff in life is trivial.