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Animal Conjuration/Transfiguration

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Carmine, May 31, 2011.

  1. Carmine

    Carmine Unspeakable

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    I just wondered what everyone thought about whether it was possible to conjure (or transfigure something into) a magical creature. It seems like the magical creature Animagus craze, I don't think it seems likely. If it was, I bet we'd be seeing Super!Harry conjuring a Horntail or a phoenix... opinions?
     
  2. Sesc

    Sesc Slytherin at Heart Moderator

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    Bleh. This all depends on whether you think that there is a relevant difference between magical animals and normal ones. If there isn't, there's no reason why you couldn't conjure a phoenix just as well as a pig. If there is, that might be a reason. As we don't know, your question is impossible to answer and therefore uninteresting :p

    It doesn't even work while arguing backwards. We don't know if you can vanish magical animals, do we?
     
  3. Carmine

    Carmine Unspeakable

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    I suppose. Just an idle thought, really. I thought of it 'cause of all the magical creature Animagi in (generally poor) fics.
     
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    Shinysavage Madman With A Box ~ Prestige ~

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    In terms of being possible, I don't see much of a problem. The real issue is in terms of story telling. If it is possible to conjure/transfigure a phoenix (for instance), then presumably so long as Harry has his wand, he's never in any real danger. He can conjure a phoenix, and instantly heal any wound, or teleport away through any sort of barrier. If you go with the dragon option, then even Voldemort becomes a significantly smaller challenge, although if anyone was going to be able to take on a dragon single handedly, it'd be him or Dumbledore.

    So yeah, theoretically possible, but not necessarily a good idea.

    Admittedly, a touch hypocritical coming from me, but nevermind.
     
  5. Sesc

    Sesc Slytherin at Heart Moderator

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    Well, I think we can agree that Harry suddenly busting out some mad l33t transfiguration skillz and conjuring his own pet phoenix is all sorts of fail. So if you're asking if it should be done (not if it's possible), then I'd say no, and definitely not by Harry.

    Edit: Basically, what shinysavage said in that regard.
     
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  6. Blaise

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    Potter Law
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    Magical animagi and conjuring magical animals are both, in fact, possible. Upon successful completion of the transformation or conjuration, the witch or wizard will immediately drop dead, while taking the lives of the 500 nearest wizards and witches.




    See also: the Great Fire of 64 AD, Rome; Chinese phoenixes and population control; "Indonesian Pyrrhic Victory," Ancient Magical Olympiad Synchronized Conjuring event, 576 BC; Guy Fawkes
     
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  7. Hmizzle

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    ... Somehow, I don't see it as at all possible, as the magical creature would probably not be fully magical, but a poor imitation, that just looks like the animal, but can't do any of the tricks that the magical version can. Potter Law on the other hand, made me rofl.
     
  8. Sal Paradise

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    On a similar note, if you can conjure magical creatures, what stops you from conjuring a wizard?
     
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    Streuth good sir. Streuth.
     
  10. IdSayWhyNot

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    And if you can conjure a wizard, is he really a person? Does he have a soul, provided he is not a ginger?
     
  11. Rubicon

    Rubicon High Inquisitor DLP Supporter

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    I was just about to ask that. Or, if you can conjure a non-magical animal, could you conjure a Muggle?
     
  12. T3t

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    Probably one of the arbitrarily-named exceptions to Gamp's Laws. Seriously, JKR jumped the gun with that one, having previously conjured food in several books, as well as making it completely irrelevant by making it possible to conjure/transfigure animals, which you could then cut up, cook, and eat. Unless transfiguration is temporary, in which case you have Methods of Rationality and EVERYBODY DIES.

    also 666.
     
  13. Carmine

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    Good point. Could it involve the complexity of the human mind in comparison to animals?
     
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    Do we actually see people conjure food though, or just use a version of the summoning charm to cause it to appear?
     
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    http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Gamp's_Law_of_Elemental_Transfiguration

    While I can accept that McGonagall could have obtained the sandwiches using the same method the House Elves use to set the tables, I have a harder time believing that you can "summon" food (sauce) to come out of your wand, even if you know where it is, without it physically traversing the space between you and its location. This implies some new method of magical transport that we don't know about.

    Similarly, why is there a principal difference between creating a living animal and what is essentially a dead animal? Especially when you just use a cutting curse to take off its head and then charbroil it. Why didn't they use the avis spell while camping and then shoot down the birds and eat them?

    Blah blah blah...

    Pondering this is clearly useless.
     
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    You have no idea how much I was raging when Gamp's laws came into play, especially with Mrs Weasley shooting a sauce out of her wand in the fourth book.
     
  17. Carmine

    Carmine Unspeakable

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    Possible. Bill vanishes some blueprints in OotP, but I assume he got them back at some point. It is likely the same rule for conjuring, as you could conjure food from somewhere if you knew where it was.
     
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    I doubt this, as it would in effect mean that they could get food from anywhere, as they would technically know that food was in a supermarket or the like. On a separate note, where do wizards get food from? Special wizard supermarkets?
     
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    And if you can conjure non-magical creatures i.e. regular animals, what stops you from conjuring muggles?

    Plot bunny! Harry finds that he can conjure muggles so he conjures a non-magical james and lily and then Chuck Norris to take out Voldemort and lives happily ever after with his parents.
     
  20. Hmizzle

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    Even better, Harry conjures Obama, and has him destroy Voldemort with his epic-ness. Is that even a word? 'Epic-ness'?
     
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