What on earth were you looking for when you found that?

 

@Carmine: I was looking for stories where James and Lily are alive.

The author didn't give any warnings about the incest, slash, or gang rape. The stupid cunt just said something about Harry going through a "tragic incident."

I didn't realize what was going on until James pinned the poor bastard on the pool table. It hit me like fucking sledgehammer. I cried a little.

 

Where is Legion when his input is needed? XD

 

I rarely laugh as much as I am now. Cruel, but...

 

Heh, if I wrote Harry/Lily, it wouldn't be because of any illicit mother issues or because Lily is hot or whatever... probably.

No, I'd write it for the same reason I write Lily/Snape - it's challenging. The relationship is fucked up from the beginning, which gives you the opportunity to get creative and come up with interesting situations to bring the two together in a quasi-sensible way. It means you have to think and not just generate slush and filler like any dozen Indy!Harry fics. You've got to think outside the box, come up with something fresh and reasonably new.

And I always think of Alyson Hannigan whenever I write MILF!Lily, so there.

 

This, basically. You write or read it because you like it, not because "Herp Lily's hot + Derp Harry's main character THEREFORE ABSOLUTELY MUST PAIR."

@Silens: wut? Incest isn't outside of the box - it's borderline prolific. Sure it's challenging (for want of a nicer outlook)...but so is slash. I don't see many authors around here "challenging" themselves, even the ones who are relatively okay with reading slash if it's on the very, very periphery (and fem!slash).

If anyone was really that determined to feature Lily Potter hawtness, they'd just write a couple of paragraphs about her clicking her own mouse in the Head Girl's suite; or blowing the protagonist in every broom cupboard (written in 2nd person, of course). But that doesn't happen.

 

When I first got into fanfiction, I was attracted to Draco/Hermione and Draco/Ginny fics.

Yes, yes, at this stage I might as well be announcing I love slash on this site, but back then I guess it was something a bit more new, and wasn't as stupid and cliched to me. Similarly, there's HarryDaphne, HarryBlaise (back when he was a she), HarryBellatrix, HarryNarcissa, etc.

But what attracted me to it? What made me more interested in reading it over HarryGinny?

I think there's that interest in a pairing where it's not really meant to be. There's the emotional turmoil of the character falling in love with someone who they shouldn't be experiencing those feelings for. There's all the hurdles they need to go through by being in that relationship - keeping it a secret, then dealing with the uproar when people find out, etc.

It gives a lot more interesting plot points than more common sense pairings. And as people have noted, the whole forbidden fruit thing does make it so much better too. =P

HarryLily, obviously takes these to the next level.

 

I meant challenging to me. And let's face it - any brain-dead monkey with a keyboard can churn out a slash story that'll at least get 100 reviews, simply because the cliches in that genre are so common and entrenched that one can just utilize them. A slash author trying something different, on the other hand... yeah, that would be challenging.

No, for me Harry/Lily is challenging because not only does it not have those entrenched cliches, but because there is such a small audience and the stories that have done it well are iconic, for one's story to stand out, it must be unique. And that alone is extremely challenging.

 

Translation:A lot of people on the internet like shit that makes me uncomfortable, and I need people to explain to me why they do it for some reason.

I'm kinda trapped between Tehan and Taure. I think people on most DLP read it because they are imagining themselves as Harry (and no, James an't be the protagonist because he has like, fifty lines to him and thus no emotional significance to the writer/reader) and Lily is rarely thought of as ugly on most forums. And plus, some people will read anything if it's hot.

On the other hand you can sometimes clearly tell when an author is writing more for the concept of incest than the chance to pair the protagonist up with someone. Some people are just attracted to that stuff and because of the anonymity of the internet they can come out in droves. I don't see how it's any different from other taboo fetishes like mind control or bdsm. Why some people like this stuff is irrelevant really.

 

I haven't read the PJO series, so forgive me if I'm coming at this from the wrong direction. Is the "incest" angle actually played up, even tangentially or in a we-don't-talk-about-it way? Because I never got that from Greek/Roman mythology, other than the blatant father/daughter or mother/son tales, and I read mountains of mythology as a teen and pre-teen, whatever the right terminology is.

I suppose it's possible that I didn't - at the time - comprehend the implied familial relationships and that's stuck with me as an adult, but unless the story was about sex within the immediate family, I never considered it all that taboo. Sure, first-cousin is now frowned upon (even in Tennessee where I grew up!), but in ancient Greece and Rome and many other places, first cousins married fairly often. In light of that, I never felt there was tons of taboo incestuous goings-on in the mythology I read, aside from the aforementioned immediate family stuff.

How long have you been here? Way longer than me, and I knew from the first day that DLP is some messed-up folks. Not all in the same manner and certainly not all to the same extent, but messed-up nonetheless.

Unless you're talking about the movie casting, in which case yes, there is absolutely a dearth of hot women.

One way to limit your exposure is to stop reading shitty manga and watching shitty anime. Of course, that's redundant for me, since I think all manga and anime are shit.

Bullshit. You write (and 'ship) Lily/Snape because you are a Snape fanboy/apologist, full stop, end of story, no further discussion required.

Hmm. As teenage!Lily, I could see that, although Hannigan seems to carefree and/or self-effacing than I've ever imagined Lily to be.

I see what you're saying and I can't really disagree with most of it. However, I've never, ever, EVER been able to get my head around the Draco/Hermione pairing. Draco/Ginny I can see. Hell, I can even see Harry/Pansy or Harry/Narcissa happening before Drac/Hermione, because of Draco's canon traits.

Yes, any of these pairings require a change or growth (or deconstruction) of canon traits, so maybe it's just that I despise Draco so much that I never want to see him with a character that I like or empathize with.

 

I'll admit, the Pottercest series makes me cringe , but for several reasons: The Harry here has sex with his brothers, sisters, mother (possibly). Only the mother is canon. The rest are just OCs. With no development, this is just incest for incest sake.

But a well written Harry/Lily is usually good. The incest is a side part, and not all H/L have a reference to any family ties in text - no calling each other 'mum', or 'son'. These seem to written purely for the chance to do a smut!fic, with a character we know, and Lily. The ones where Lily says something along the lines of "Oh pound your mother's dripping cunny harder, my delightful son" can be a little too far.

 

To be fair, they were forced to pick a predominantly English cast, and England definitely has a dearth hot women.

 

Fuck this awful world.

 

If it's so popular, why aren't there more H/Lily stories out there?

I've never been interested in any of my relatives... or even been able to tolerate many of them, for that matter. Actually, I've only ever met a few of them. On the other hand, I find H/Lily stories interesting, in theory (in actuality, there aren't many and most either suck or are abandoned after two or three chapters).

Of course, that particular pairing comes with a boatload of extenuating circumstances, psychologically, if not genetically.

While I'm not big on reading angst, I don't mind interesting, though thoroughly fucked up, characters; and, characters engaging in that sort of relationship generally qualify as both, whether it's Harry and a resurrected/temporally-displaced/only-mostly-dead Lily, or Harry and his distaff counterpart from another world, or a long lost sister... or even one with whom he had to share The Cupboard.

It's not hard to see why a pair of characters, enduring such hardships and emotional strain, would ignore taboos and social mores in order to cling to one another. It's often, at least in their own minds, the only direction they can turn to find solace.

And, in the case of the Patils... well, that's a no-brainer.

ROFL! Been a while since I've seen any new Harry/Hedwig. This is why Harry/Draco makes no sense; Harry has always been more interested in birds than blokes. :awesome

A 'threeling' experience?

 

Dammit Warlocke, sometimes you just break my brain.

 

Good.

I don't know which part did it, but that's fine. It's part of what I'm here for, and I enjoy inflicti- I mean, doing it.

Just to clarify: Only-mostly-dead!Lily is both a reference to Princess Bride and my shorthand for "She didn't really die on October 31st, 1981," not necrophilia... that's another fetish entirely.

Also, "Ugh."

Or, if I may put it another way: Having fucked up fetishes is fairly normal.

Acting on them? That's not quite so commonplace.

 

For me, the most 'cringe worthy' part of Oedipus Flower was when Lily said something like 'Give mummy your love'. Because at that moment, Harry was fucking his mum, instead of Lily Potter. And I think moments like that are normally fairly rare in Harry/Lily fics. Their relationship is downplayed, rather than emphasized.

 

Personally, I'd like to see Harry/Lily Luna Potter.

 

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Why aren't you banned, already?

 

I wonder, if incest didn't produce defective/mutant/three-headed offsprings, would you find it alright?

There will be a time in the distant future where medicine will allow us to correct any of those defects - incest may very well become something very common.