Fixed.

Also, what you (and Bioware) need to remember is that at least some fans are also paying customers, who are expecting games that they want to play, not something Bioware has arbitrarily decided they want to make.

But yeah, as it is, I'll probably buy the base game, play for a month, and then leave it until it goes free-to-play (which might be never)

EDIT:

Relevant.

 

You think DA2 was a fluke? It's just one stop on the road Bioware laid out for itself when it let EA annex them. A road that will likely end with them selling literal bags of shit for $60.00 (with tiny clumps of shit on release for $5.00, and smaller bags at monthly intervals for $10.00).

Why would I be a fan when they suck?

I'd be perfectly willing to buy their products again if they shape the hell up -- i.e. get the fuck away from EA somehow and preen their staff a bit.

I'm not even going to bother with the pirate thing.

 

DA2 was the only game that sucked? Really? Has no one even played "Shitty $60 + DLC dumbed-down prologue to Mass Effect 3?" Mass Effect 2 was about as big of a disappointment to me as Dragon Age 2.

 

I enjoyed Mass Effect 2. And I've played every Bioware game I could since Baldur's Gate.

Sure, it could have been better, but that's what happens when you let a scum-sucking leech like EA to take over.

I still liked it.

 

I played Mass Effect 2 (not the first one), but I did like ME2. Bioware just isn't doing good anymore since they became a part of EA Games. They royally fucked up NeverWinter Nights 2, in my opinion. It didn't really feel like the original NWN.

 

Mass Effect

Mass Effect 2


What's this, Mass Effect 2 With an Even Better Reception than Mass Effect 1? From both Players and Professionals? Who would have guessed?!?

Yeah, sure, that was a terrible game. Yep.

See, there is a difference between bad and different.

Am I the only one who finds it amusing that you're insulting ME2 while at the same time using an Avatar of a character from that particular game?

 

There is also a difference between popular and good.

 

Mass Effect != Mass Effect 2. Kinda odd that you don't realise this, especially after you linked to each of the games' Metacritic scores.

 

This is correct, but the fact remains that it is much less common for something that is bad to be extremely popular and generally well received than something that is good to be extremely popular and generally well received.

Also, the only complaint I've run into on any sort of repeat basis about ME2 is that it wasn't as complex (specifically character building wise) as the first one. Since a lot of folks don't really see that as a terrible move, I'm less than impressed by the weight that argument holds.

There are Several valid points about various things that detract from the quality of DA2, so I won't argue too terribly about whether it was a bad game or not (though honestly I think a lot, but not all, of the hate for it is just lemming syndrome).

However...

ME2 was, by the measuring stick of the vast majority of the gaming community, both professional and consumer, a fantastic game with only a few minor problems.

Which removes weight from the argument that Fiat and Beonid were using to defend Red Aviary's rant against Bioware. That being that Bioware has some sort of extended history of making bad games that are in the end a money sink.

Look, I can't convince anyone to like something they are convinced not to like. But I am going to argue against assertions that I find to be flawed or or juvenile.

Was I incorrect in my assumption that your Avatar was/is supposed to be Morinth? I based that upon the fact that as far as I know she's the only Asari character to clad herself in shiny black clothing and the fact that she looks so very contemptuous.

 

Tl;dr Some are psyched about a Bioware mmo and some people get Cunt-aches when something doesn't turn out as expected.

It's a TOR thread folks.

 

I would give you a thumbs up if I could.

 

Well, then get that post count up already!

On-Topic:
The game may very well be interesting, and the lore does give it some leverage with a fair amount of consumers... but due to a mix of aesthetic and mechanic preference, as well as time constraints, I will be focusing on Guild Wars 2 as far as an MMO is concerned. Of course, I will play many other games, but I would rather be prosperous with one MMO, than be relatively good at multiple.

Note, this isn't an attempt to derail the thread, and I am certainly not one of the many silly people of the mind that only one game can be successful.

 

NWN2 was made by Obsidian, not Bioware.

 

Irrelevant since the game sucked ass anyway.

 

Not irrelevant since the initial argument was 'look what Bioware did to NWN2.' Which was being said in response to the discussion on Bioware's history (or lack there of) of producing multiple 'bad' games.

Fail...

But nice try.

 

Well then it should've been Bioware who created it in the first place. But since they're linked to EA, I'm willing to bet NWN2 still would have sucked ass.

Edit: Sorry, what I meant to say is that even if Bioware didn't create it, the game still sucked.

 

Considering that NWN2 came out in 2006, I doubt it, as Bioware wasnt linked with EA then.

Try again.

 

Oh, did it ever. NWN2 was a poorly optimized, poorly designed shitstain of game, and vastly inferior to its predecessor.

All of that being said, I think the biggest issue regarding TOR is not that they're warping characters like Revan or that there will be balancing issues up the anus, but rather that this bloody game has spent far too long in dev time, and to sustain interest, Bioware has been forced to push piece after piece of bullshit out to satisfy an unpleasable audience.

Think about it, when Bioware first announced TOR, it was in October 2008 - and from a dev standpoint, you need have something on the table and quasi-workable before you announce a project like that, so that means it's likely been in dev time since about 2007 - and considering all the other projects Bioware has worked on, including the rushed sequels to Mass Effect and Dragon Age that were both disappointing for me, that means this project hasn't had the full attention of the studio by a long shot, even if they now have financial support from EA (also, EA, go fuck yourself, you worthless hacks, the longer you produce Madden games, the more I come to fucking despise you).

So yeah, from the looks of things, the game still feels unfinished to me, and that's annoying. But Bioware's working with, while a good engine, one that's already dated at least by four years compared to modern tech. Plus you're dealing with a sprawling gameverse, a horrifically complicated continuity, and a fanbase that vacillates from unpleasable (that's me) to the plain fucking delusional, not to mention the stigma of having a previous incarnation hanging over them (what, you think Bioware just forgot about Star Wars Galaxies? Guarantee they didn't).

So yeah, it'll probably still be a decent game and it will make money and people will still bitch about it and the Star Wars continuity will take another few blows to the head - at this point, maybe because I just have never been able to care about Revan at all, I'm okay with it. Keep in mind that I've read through the Star Wars EU and I've fucking played the Force Unleashed games - until Bioware can produce a worse script than the efforts of Kevin J. Anderson, Karen Traviss, or Troy Denning, I can safely say that we're fine.

 

Right and what people are telling you is that Bioware had nothing to do with it so you can't use it as a mark against them and once you mod out the inevitable Obsidian bugs and half finished ideas its actually a fairly good game.

 

So apparently Bioware decided they'd completely ruin one of the only worthwhile EU characters just so they could get his name in the game and cash in on the awesomeness they created 8 years ago. A balding anorexic with 80-style shoulder pads who pulls a decent impression of Emokin as he whines about how the big bad Emperor blew his dogwhistle and he came running, looking for the chance to get turned into an obedient marionette. Way to ruin an awesome characterization Bioware.

I've already signed up for the beta, I'll still give it a go if I get the invite but I'll probably ragequit it, and maybe pirate some of their other games out of spite, even if I'm not interested in them.

In short; Fuck you Bioware.