It might actually be a good idea to create a thread that details (and debunks) fanon cliches, such as the most hated Soul Bond. That, and with some links to Taure's numerous articles to help with potential world-building.

Would be invaluable for situations like this.

 

Oruma. I really hope that fic you're making me read is good, because I'm allergic to any fic where Voldemort and sex appear in proximity.

 

@Jormungandr
A more updated, condensed, and more serious Potter Law thread, then?

P.s. Love the new avatar.

@Zeelthor
It is alright methinks.

Oh, and, Voldemort and sex doesn't automatically equate squick.
In one word: Voldebabe.

 

Can we please outlaw Draco Malfoy's character all-together if he doesn't get a nc-17 rated deathscene?

I'm sick of all the stupid fangirl shit going around that character. If you want Harry to boink a dude or for your self-insert Hermione/Ginny to do it, pick someone decent. (No, not Snape!)
Malfoy's a cowardly little cunt. It doesn't matter if his parents were mean to him or if he's conflicted. He had many outs and didn't take any of them.

Edit: I'm not sure I want to know what Voldebabe entails.

 

And if you outlawed fics that use him you're ridding yourself of a potentially interesting/extremely useful character. There's fangirl shit for literally every character, so why don't we just outlaw every character?

Really, I guess my issue with your point here is that you can't only have characters who are awesome. Good stories need characters who are shitty people, who make a lot of mistakes, who have outs and don't take them. Because only then do you have a story that can seem plausible. I've read plenty of fics that use Malfoy well. Blind hatred of a character just leads to horrible writing. So, you know, try to avoid that.

Also, why are you ranting about Malfoy or Slash in this thread? I fail to see the relevance.

 

Two good points. xD

Soo. What neat stuff could one do with blood magic?

 

To answer an earlier question I saw: Harry wouldn't look to less conventional methods for a comeback to Voldemort because, assuming you want to write a Harry that is at all smart, he will realize that Voldemort went soul-searching for years before coming back to rule, and thus had the chance and the motivation to study damn near anything Harry could hope to find. Harry's best chance lies in doing something he's good at so well that Voldemort loses. That's not to say that Harry should ride his broom through Voldemort's chest, although if you incorprated that I'm sure it would help.

Alternately, if Voldemort is stupid enough to be beaten by Harry's two months of work in voodoo, then he's not that spectacular of a Dark Lord, is he? It cheapens his death to have him be beaten by just a bit of determination.

Edit: Wow I was ninja'd by like ten posts.

 

While epic, I think I'll skip the death by broomstick.

 

Build a broom that exceeds mach 15 and send it flying into Voldemort like a missile. There, I said it.

 

I wrote a piece where I used a voluntary soul bond. Harry and Hermione used blood magic to bind their souls together to give themselves immunity to the Killing Curse...

It wasn't very well written, but I don't think it was a horrible idea.

But yes Soul bonds suck in general.

 

Let's just put it this way: the one soul-bond in canon is Harry/Voldemort and we all know how well THAT turn out.

 

Well, soul bonds won't be present in my fic so that's one thing you needn't worry about.

 

Any not canon magic has to have a reason behind not being taught. There are very few reasons Hogwarts wouldn't teach the magic, but the common reasoning is often one of:

1. It is newly discovered/rediscovered/never been used before
2. England is ass-backward in the magical world and everyone there is stupid and my country is better and has spells that are more awesome than Fleur and Tonks covered in squirty cream and chocolate sauce.
3. The magic needs someone super powerful to cast it, and only Harry/golden trio/ministry six/Harry+girl can learn it
3. ii. The magic needs someone powerful to cast it, and due to inbreeding no purebloods are able to.
4. Sex powers it.
5. Humanity is ass-backward and goblin/veela/dragon/house elf/giant squid magic is much better.
6. The magic is evil/needs sacrifice/the MoM has forbidden it.
7. You learn it 'on the job' - so specific magics.

Reasons 1, 6 and 7 are about the only way to make the magic work, in relation to canon. With Dumbledore seeming to hold a very high position in an International organisation, Britain can't be too rubbish. Super!Harry can be fun to read, but it is very easy to go over the top, and write an accidental crack!fic. 4 turns into smut. 5 is silly - humanity has beaten the other races into submission, slavery, or near-extinction. Or can devise spells to save themselves.

 

You know, I have a mac, and for the longest time before I installed word, I used Pastebin.com to type out my stuff, and then reformat it on here. It's a bitch to be sure, but it's free and a good alternative until you install the new software.

But, if you need a beta or something to throw ideas off of on IRC, I have the time.

You know Thaum.... I think I've read a story where Hogwarts teaches females powerful sex magic, and that they have to nail guys and steal there magic to make them stronger...

It also had a rapist Hermione. Pretty weird fic all things considered.

 

Ok, OP, if you can't figure out why any of these things you mention are bad, frankly, you are at the wrong site.

Harry is never ever ever going to beat Voldemort in a duel without massive amounts of story attached and an extreme amount of help, ie: fallen angels trapped in a coin. No amount of training, research, ancient magic, or hyperbolic time chambers is going to give Harry the edge over Voldemort.

Necromancy is just a shit idea, period. I close every single story that even remotely involves necromancy, inferi not included. It doesn't fit into the HP universe, and there isn't anything that it would add that existing magic can't do, and if I see the world 'Lich' appear in an HP fic, I will strangle the author. The running theme is, that any of these 'categories' are just a mix of pre-existing magics.

Blood Magic. Magic involving the blood. We see this several times in Canon, and again, it's just a conglomeration of other pre-existing magics. The magic that protects Harry is blood magic, as it the ritual that brought Voldemort back, and it's how Voldemort protected the locket horcrux. Sure, you could probably find several spells that involve blood, but that doesn't mean a practitioner is going to be called a 'blood mage' no more than a person who creates inferi called a 'necromancer'

Druidism, really? Maybe if he went to Hogwarts school of Druidism for seven years he may learn the basics, but again, there is magic in canon that can replicate anything 'druidism' may be able to do, and I say this having written a druid!Harry myself.

Elemental magics may just be the worst of them all. The big daddy of cliche magic. fire mage, water mage, shadow mage, that shit was never good, and never will be. It's extraneous and lame. And again, i'll repeat, there's nothing that those 'fields' could do that you couldn't do with canon magic. There's plenty of water spells, plenty of fire spells, knock your socks off.

And lastly, demonic magic. Right. if such a thing existed, don't you think the most powerhungry motherfucker in the world would know of that, and all the above magics?

No, brute strength is not going to defeat Voldemort in the kind of story you want to make. Creativity will, and knowing your opponent. Dumbledore knew Voldemort, and he knew that his weakness was that he underestimates anything that he thinks is beneath him. He was blinded by power, and that was his downfall. Canon is supposed to be ironic in the fact that Harry killed Voldemort with a spell that doesn't kill at all, and a spell that was learned in second year. It's ironic because it was the very magics that Voldemort underestimated and couldn't comprehend that was his downfall.

To defeat Voldemort in a way that isn't completely retarded, you have to play to Harry's strengths and Voldemort's weakness. In if you can't figure out what those are, then I suggest not even trying.

 

Pretty much exactly what Anarchy said. OP, if you're gonna write a story based on Harry Potter, keep it Harry Potter. But if you want to explore these different types of magics that badly, feel free to explore other fandoms that have some resemblance to what you like, or better yet, try something original yourself.

 

I think you've missunderstood the very foundation of what I want to do.
I'm not going to write a Druid!Harry fic.
I'm not going to write a Necromancer!Harry fic.
That doesn't mean that Harry (Or some of the other characters) won't come across and use that kind of magic.
In a war as desperate as theirs, they'll probably use anything they can find. If the very mention of necromancy makes you close my story. Well, that's a shame for the both of us, have a pleasant bloody evening.

You're completely right that a Watermage!Harry story would be very silly.
And once more, that's not what I'm going to do. That doesn't mean there's not possibility for elemental spells that would help, though.

Knowledge is power. Thus the knowledge will be hard to find.
I think it'd make for a very interesting story if the knowledge literally had to be hunted, bribed or killed for.

As for Demonic magic. It was just a thought I played around with. I think Harry uses something called The Demon's light in Wastelands of time.
That was pretty neat. And no, I'm not planning to rip that stuff off.
Maybe I'll just leave it at refering to that it might or might not exist. Fiendfyre could possible count as demonic magic seeing as it's sort of sentient. (On that note, how long does that burn? What's the limitations on it?)

And as you said, Voldemort would win a battle between himself and Harry any day of the week. Whoever said I'd play the odds fair? But there's still a lot of death eaters to get through. There are still a variety of things they might encounter while on the hunt for the Horcruxes. (If I didn't say it before, I plan to have the locations of those moved a bit)


Main point: There's no limits to the magical world aside from creativity and common sense.

I'll be updating the other thread with the corrected (And hopefully improved) version of chapter one and number two tomorrow.

 

No, I think you have badly misunderstood what everybody here is trying to tell you.

The problem isn't that you want to write a fic with some powerful, obscure, not-yet-mentioned magic. The thing is, why?

Why do you want include druidism, necromancy, or demonic magic? Is there anything you can achieve with those that you can't with all that canon gives you?

The impression you're giving is the problem. You don't have a reason beyond "I think it's interesting and cool trollolol". There is nothing you want to achieve with it other than "to test my creativity". And that's why Andro is right in calling your desire juvenile, and that's why everybody is right to be wary of what you are going to produce.

Go ahead and write the story you want. You're the author, and it's your decision. Post in the WbA by all means. However, given your explanations on where you want the story to go, don't expect a lot of love or tolerance from us.

 

I don't see any reason not to try to expand the world within the borders of reasons.
More magic means more versatility for the fight-scenes.
I do not see how the desire to create is juvenile, either. But no matter. I'm hoping that once I've posted the story it'll be clearer what things will look like.

Then everyone can judge for themselves instead of jumping to conclusions.

 

So you've confirmed that everyone was jumping to the right conclusions. The first step is to stop thinking that you're being misunderstood.

Your first scene with the graveyard shows what you need to work on - you have an an inherently flawed understanding of what is "cool", "compelling", and "original".

The reason writers like Joe or Nuhuh or Swim are such great writers is that they have this understanding of what concepts and ideas are "cool", and their creativity with writing scenes, prose, writing dialogues, imagining situations, were good enough to execute those ideas.

That's the first bump in the road you have to get over. I had to get over that bump too - when I was first writing, I wrote a lot of shit that I thought was groundbreakingly original, when it was actually just a lot of shit. Swimdraconian had that phase in the first version of Circular Reasoning. Most of Shezza88's earliest stuff is by his own admission unreadable, so he had that phase too. Everyone raised their levels after that.

That's where you're at right now, only it might be hard for you to accept it. So look at stories like Wastelands, The Skitterleap and Circular Reasoning with a critical eye, read published literature, and you'll start coming up with these great concepts through learning by example.