We have lost many greats today, Napier, Jobs, Cursor. I salute these men.

 

Who are these people, and where in the 16 core worlds do they live.

I swear OllieK you are seeew weird.

 

Hmm Silens is an odd kill....

Lets look at it from the Mafia's perspective. What reasons did they have to kill silens? He had one post... If I remember correctly:

Maybe they killed him because he thought they were innocent, and by posting that they are off the suspicion list since he is now confirmed town....

Or they could have killed him for no reason. Just a random night kill

 

Silens could indeed be just a random kill with the added benefit of drawing some small amount of suspicion towards me. Probably not enough to lynch me today but definitely something people will think about later on in the game if I'm still alive.

And while I appreciate Zeitgeist defending me, I'm pretty suspicious of anyone defending anyone in this game. I got exactly the same feeling from his post that I got from Vira in the last game. On the other hand I do think he's right.

 

It's pretty obvious that this thread needs some kind of life support, so here I am, ready to perform feats of thread revival like... (this kind of tapered off around here, so whatever).

So since people hate it when I ask questions (why though? :>) and people don't do anything with I ask to be asked questions (lazy!), I'll go with a different thingy - Point out scummy people!

I think in the following 2 player combinations, there is at least one scum in each.

{Zeitgeist, Ashaya}; {Relic, jwlk}; {Sesc, Nae'blis}; {Custer; Fenraellis}.

No, I don't have any reason in particular for those combinations other than my scumdar started getting pings everywhichway (Or maybe I do? dun dun dun)

 

I think this was mostly just a random kill. Silens' one post was not enough to warrant enough attention towards him. So either the separatists are stupid if they really thought that Silens had to be kept quiet, or this was done to not target a more vocal member (KaiDASH, Taure, etc).

Sesc and calutron still fall under my radar. Sesc because of that random voting stint he pulled, and calutron because...I dunno, he just seems suspicious.

 

edit by double post:

I also have some other people I'm watching, probably.

 

Well, the scummiest in my mind is Sesc so far, but I'm also mildly suspicious of Zeitgeist and KaiDASH. Other people as well have "pinged my scumdar" but I'll keep my suspicions to myself for now.

 

On my way to work, so this is gonna have to be short. I'm starting to get a little annoyed with KaiDASH, mostly for shit like

Dunno about you guys, but this reads like a crock of shit to me.

Then there's the Pairs of Possible Scum he throws out, saying he's suspicious of them, but fails to give a reason for any of them. I'm trying to understand here, why would such a vocally pro-town player throw accusations with out reasoning behind them? Seems to me like he's inciting more paranoia and chaos than anyone else here.

Here's who I find suspicious:

Hgf: Silens accuses you and then he dies. "Drunken" posting. General apathy

calutron: You voted for OllieK rather suddenly and out of the blue. I'd love to hear why?

Sesc: Your bipolar voting behavior and angry posting from before frankly scares me. First you say kill Schro [out of irritation], then you rescind vote to drag proceedings on. Then you vote for yourself, rescind, and vote Schro again after he's been practically begging you and accusing you of delaying the game on purpose.

I see scum in Schro's entrails, and his ghostly spirit points the finger at you.

Vote Player: Sesc

Convince me otherwise.

 

Sesc seems to be the most suspicious so far for his weird voting habits. Still, it seems so obvious that I can't help but think that it was intended to create suspicion. Could be what the scum in DE II tried to pull, make a rather obvious target among their own ranks and have other scum vote to kill him so that people are going to trust them more.

Doesn't make Sesc any less suspicious though

 

Wow, isn't it wonderful when KaiDASH randomly points fingers at people? And without really justifying it either. If I weren't so suspicious of Sesc/Ashaya, I'd do willing to put a lynch vote for him. To be honest, the guy has been acting scummishly for the beginning of the game. Like Sesc, he did those weird rescinding, but why? To prolong the vote? Then, he offers strategy for the Seer, which I guess is a pro-town move.

Moreover, he doesn't provide any information about himself. His general attitude is also rather negative. Where's life of the party? Get out of the bitter barn and play in the hay! Hey, you keep on mentioning "people don't want me asking questions" even though you "want to". Why don't you just ask, then?

Give it your best shot. Because you know what? You are confusing me with your contradictory stances (sarcastic scum-tells and offering pro-town advice?), and I'm starting to believe that you are perhaps a Dark Renegade.

Hell, if you really don't want to ask questions, at least answer them:

1.) What is more suspicious to you? Stalling a lynch (through heavy WKing/rescinding) or not posting at all? ​

My answer (because I learnt my lesson from tinyhunt):

I find lynch-stalls far more suspicious than lurkers, because of my experiences from hosting SW1. Generally, the people in that game tended to peter off and lose interest when they were vanilla townies or roles they didn't like (e.g. Emperor's Hand, Imperial Governor). Hence, I'm inclined to view a lack of posting as apathy, rather than scumminess. I do recognise that some scum will lurk deliberately for the purposes of avoiding attention (e.g. Nemrut in SW1), but many "lurkers" in the game tend to simply be pro-town bums. Yes, bums who let down the town (and should be lynched in some extreme cases for stupidity), but pro-town nonetheless.

Lynch-stalls seems more suspicious, because of Ashaya from DE1. Yes, mislynching is terrible (SW1: Village Killers illustrate that point), but Merrill's original debate that a stagnant village is a foolish village still stands. My solution? Lynch, but lynch thoughtfully.

EDIT:

In response to Custer's post, I am inclined to vote for Sesc, but I want to at least hear his defense first. No reason to lynch him simply because somebody similarly Separatist (e.g. Ashaya) was able to respond in time.

Ashaya, nice attempt at deflecting attention onto me. "Trying too hard"? I'm always this vehement in mafia games. I play hard - or go home. If I'm not wildly accusing somebody, then you can be suspicious of me. You, on the other hand, ping my scumdar in so many ways that you rival Sesc.

You have one consolation prize, though. Sesc and KaiDASH are climbing up the scumlist, and they might overtake you soon.

 

Vote Player: Sesc

Even if he ends up being a townie, he will likely cause division amongst us in the meanwhile.

Worth a lynch.

 

I rescinded because I wanted to ask if day continues after a lynch, and I didn't want to write up a post and have it be wasted due to a lynch.

You'll note that I vote for Schrodinger again ~20 minutes later with my post, before Ves even replied to my question - So clearly a stealth 'unbandwagon' (or otherwise trying to stall) wasn't something I was trying to go for. It was a 'hey, making 100% sure that my effort isnt gonna get wasted' type thing.

You think I'm negative? First off, the linked post was a joke (in terms of me being negative, not me making a joke); secondly, even if I am being negative, other players like SmileoftheKill are far more negative so pointing out my mild at best negativity seems stretching, and thirdly, is being negative even a scumtell?

As for your question, I find lurkers strongly anti-town. I don't think 'stalling a lynch' is even a thing that has happened outside of DE1 (inexperienced players) or SW1 (people who don't give a fuck), so I think it is a question designed solely to place suspicion on myself and sesc (because in your view, what happened yesterday was lynch stalling, which I think is pushing the envelope on acceptable definitions).

I'd be happy if I was the dark renegade - Immunity to night kills is something I'd enjoy very much.

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Anyway, I have a proposal to make -

Offput the sesc lynch until day 3, so the jedi seer can get the amount of scum voting on it. I think the results would be very telling. As part of this, I'd want the following people to vote lynch on sesc (this will make a majority if nobody is lynched today, since 2 people will die tonight, putting the live player count upon tomorrow to 18, so 10 is a majority).

Zeitgeist, Relic, Custer, Sesc, Nemrut, hgf, Ashaya, KaiDASH, SmileoftheKill, Klackerz

As an addendum, if this were to happen, on day 4 I'd be happy to get lynched if the results of the Sesc lynch are somehow unsatisfactory.

And yes, this plan would result in the jedi seer revealing on day 4 with results of the d1/3 lynchings. Hence why it is a proposal and not a 'OI FUCKERS DO THIS K'. It's also why I'm willing to be lynched on d4 if this happens AND doesn't work out.

 

Im going to wait for Sesc to reply and in the meanwhile I would strongly urge the probe droic to investigate kaiDash and Zeitgeist now.

 

Voting recap so far

Sesc: 2 Votes
Custer, Relic

Yet to Vote: 18
Ashaya, Calutron, Fenraelis, hgf, Jwlk, KaiDASH, Kang, Klackerz, Lutris, Nae'blis, Nemrut, Oliver of Kingston, Riley Poole, Scrib, Sesc, SmileOfTheKill, Taure, Zeitgeist

There are 20 Players so 11 are needed for a lynch.

Day ends at 10:00 PM EST tonight. 13 hours left.

 

Vote Player: Kang

I have my eye on you, bitch.

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Doublepost to edit:

Things. There. I said things.

 

You what? Imagine I said that in a cockney accent please.

Whats your line of reasoning behind that decision? Mr I-Want-To-Lurk despite being vocal the past few games.

Its funny that you said you wanted to be low profile - it alerted the town to you and if you are not scum it probably alerted them to you as a potential power role.

Either way you are fucked.

 

So the game is getting very confusing.

@Kai:You said that you don't like tutoring in LTH but tutors here anyway. Got anything to confess?

I'll decide later on Sesc once he posts something.

@Lutris Why the random vote on Kang?

 

I'm happy with a lynch on nae'blis or nemrut today.

I also want my plan in this post to be commented upon.

Also, obligatory 'KaiDASH wouldn't do this because that is a stupid thing to do for scum everybody' - Going with a DE2 plan with me as the lynch target. Because really

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@ klackerz, I'm not tutoring, I'm proposing an uncounterable (for scum) plan to take advantage of how the Jedi Seer works.

If people don't agree with my plan, it simply gets tossed by the wayside.